[NL2-NL10] Nl50 Fr - Aj, Tp

    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      MP2 ($50.00)
      MP3 ($37.40)
      CO ($50.00)
      Button ($18.55)
      SB ($52.45) (Hero)
      BB ($27.75)
      UTG ($64.03)
      UTG+1 ($1.75)
      UTG+2 ($50.00)
      MP1 ($46.00)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A:diamond: , J:club:
      1 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 folds, MP2 checks, 1 folds, CO checks, 1 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks,

      Flop: T:diamond: , Q:heart: , A:spade: ( $2.5 )
      Hero bets $2.00, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2.00, 1 folds

      Turn: 7:spade: ( $6.5 )
      Hero bets $4.30, MP2 calls $4.30,

      River: 2:diamond: ( $15.1 )
      Hero bets $7.50, MP2 calls $7.50,

      Final Pot: $28.60

      Against an unknown.
      Is it OK to bet all the way? River bet also OK?
  • 19 replies
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      i would raise preflop.
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
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      Raise preflop idd.
      Right now, I don't think you're dominated, though some hands like QT or AT could easily have won it.
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      or KJ
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
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      KJ reraises the river...
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by SonicXT
      KJ reraises the river...
      oh sure

      whoops
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      But SHC doesn't say to raise PF in this situation. (yes, I'm using SHC from PokerStrategy now :P )
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
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      AJ is always a raise or a fold. Or are you hoping for a J high flop maybe ?
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      But the SHC for BSS says:
      If I'm holding AJ, on the blinds, someone calls, I should call as well.

      You guys hate me. :P
      If I play Sklanky's PF Strategy, you disagree. If I play PokerStrategy SHC, you also disagree. :(
    • SonicXT
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      Well, I ain't got anything against you ... I just can't understand why anyone would merely completly complete his small blind with AJo. It just seems more logical to raise it up, to isolate. Any AQ or AK would've raised anyway...
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      I know you got nothing against me, I'm just kidding. :P

      I'm just following the BSS SHC.
    • SonicXT
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      Well, next time, just keep in mind that the starting hand chart is made to protect the newbiest of newbies from squandering away their money and keeping their downswings to an absolute minimum. After all, PokerStrategy wants them to survive long enough to learn the basics.

      So that's why they recommend to fold or flat call in some cases when a raise would be better... for absolute newbies who aren't good at handling postflop situations yet, it's better to make EV0 decisions than EV- decisions. However, once you know how to play postflop pretty well, you can raise PF a little more and make normal EV0 decisions change into a EV+ decision, given it's well played postflop.

      Btw: your sign is wrong. Poker isn't like sex. I'd never start on the lowest limits for experience ...
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      You're right, but for now I'm gonna stick to it, just moved up to a new limit, changed rooms... haven't been doing too well, have suffered quite a few beats, and made some mistakes as well (and a little bit costly ones)... and after 3k hands, I'm breaking even.

      Originally posted by SonicXT
      Btw: your sign is wrong. Poker isn't like sex. I'd never start on the lowest limits for experience ...
      LOL!!!

      EDIT: But what did you think about postflop play in this hand?
    • SonicXT
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      No real comments. I'd probably bet a little less myself on the turn and river, I might even play check/call on the river, but this is ok too.
    • Pacer357
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      Not really a mistake to see a cheap flop with AJ cause it´s quite a crappy hand and you are out of position but i would check\fold the turn and check\call the river against 1 opp. Aggression out of position with less then premium hands on the later streets is one of the bigger mistakes you can make.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Against passive players bet/fold flop, bet/fold turn and bet/fold river is fine.
    • Gungunhana
      Gungunhana
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      I´d play the same. You `re OOP for the rest of the hand ,so I don´t think raise pf is the right move
    • Cojack123
      Cojack123
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      Raise > Complete

      You have only 1 limper Utg ->he has probably a pocket pair and will fold to a flop bet very often
      you are most of the time Headsup and can win the pot very often with
      a continuation bet
      you get dead money from the blinds
      And Aj is not a bad Hand

      When you have 2 limpers complete >>> raise
      When your position is more important
      and playing multiwaypots oop is not great

      When the Utg limper is tight and the Big Blind, too
      you can raise a lot of hands because they are set mining and fold to every
      flop bet
      when you know that these players dont float you can raise
      all kind of hands 67s,98o all 2 facecards, Axo and Axs i dont like that much
      but they are ok too.

      This concept is called isolation raise vs 1 player oop
      Normaly you make this only IP but when you have tight, non floating
      Tags its + ev.


      Important DONT isoraise oop vs:

      -Fish
      -Lags
      -18/2 stats players
      -Pf-slowplayers "i limp AA because alse
      i only bet the blinds" guys ..
      - Floaters, Callstations
      - More than 1 player
      -when a Fish is behind you

      The best victim ist the 14/10 multitabling TAG
    • Cojack123
      Cojack123
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      As played:
      very nice hand postflop
      if you fold to every Turn or river action

      When he minraises you have to fold
      besides the great odds.
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      I think you played the hand well.