[NL2-NL10] Free play with Nut FD on flop 3 way

    • thazar
      thazar
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,560
      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
      9 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG House Slipperz ($13.44)
      UTG+1 Pokertron ACE ($13.90)
      MP1 tinytophers ($6.77)
      MP2 crazyhouse55 ($9.22)
      MP3 BManITFC ($38.30)
      CO KYLOgramas ($14.25)
      BTN JFE08 ($27.94)
      SB jewelrylady59 ($18.79)
      BB Hero ($13.48)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is BB A:club: 9:club:
      3 folds, crazyhouse55 calls $0.25, 3 folds, jewelrylady59 calls $0.15, Hero checks

      Flop: 4:club: A:heart: 2:club: ($0.75, 3 players)
      jewelrylady59 checks, Hero checks, crazyhouse55 bets $0.50, jewelrylady59 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, crazyhouse55 calls $1

      Turn: 8:spade: ($5.25, 3 players)
      jewelrylady59 checks, Hero bets $3, crazyhouse55 calls $3, jewelrylady59 raises to $12.50, Hero folds, crazyhouse55 goes all-in $4.47

      River: 6:diamond: ($28.22, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      SB -> I got about 130 hands against and is 21/8
      MP2 -> unknown

      Both 1 tabler on a Friday night so probably recreational.

      I get TPNK + nut FD on flop so I could really bet for value on Flop, because it is an unraised pot, it makes it unlikely villains will have high kickers TP. So the only thing I am risking is to be against 2 pairs (A2 or A4, very few combo since i have already an A) and sets deuces and 4. I got everything else covered.

      my plan was to take it slowly since the pot is 3 way, I want to try to get it heads up if possible rather than building a high pot.

      so if MP2 bets and SB folds I c/r. however if he check I will have to reevaluate turn and try to take the pot then. Also if SB calls the MP2 raise. my calling odds increase as well as my implied odds.

      when MP2 bets I put him on A2-AJ, 22-99, and weaker FD with suited SC.

      Now SB is checkraising the flop and I would tend to put him on 22,44, AT, AJ, A2, A4.

      I thought my odds were good especially that his CR is for a low amount and is likely to be called by MP2.

      So I called the flop. to reevaluate on raise by MP2 or on turn.

      When the MP2 callls it shows weakness. A strong hand would have reraised to try to get as much money in the pot as soon as possible.

      here are my odds on flop


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      Board: Ah 4c 2c
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 13.909 % 12.358 % 3.821 % 83.821 % 99-22, AJs-A2s, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, Jc9c, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c, AJo-A2o
      Player 2: 43.675 % 41.469 % 5.131 % 53.399 % 44, 22, AJs-ATs, A4s, A2s, AJo-ATo, A4o, A2o
      Player 3: 42.416 % 40.677 % 4.197 % 55.126 % Ac9c


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      on the turn surprisingly SB checks again. 2 possibilty. 1)shitty bluff giving up or 2) intending to c/r.

      that is where i am not sure if i did well to bet.

      I now need 28% equity on the turn to call his c/r a bit less if MP2 calls (which is very likely given his pot odds)

      I don't think their range change much there. and even though i did not have time to enter everything through equilator, I thought it would be pretty close so decided to fold and sit out to see where I stood.

      here is my equity on turn:

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      Board: Ah 8s 4c 2c
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 18.727 % 17.547 % 2.361 % 80.092 % 99-22, AJs-A2s, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, Jc9c, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c, AJo-A2o
      Player 2: 55.171 % 54.131 % 2.079 % 43.790 % 44, 22, AJs-ATs, A4s, A2s, AJo-ATo, A4o, A2o
      Player 3: 26.102 % 25.961 % 0.282 % 73.757 % Ac9c


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      So I think a call would have been fine as well given that MP2 will call in most case.

      What do you think of the ranges I put him on and the decisions I made?
  • 1 reply
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678

      my plan was to take it slowly since the pot is 3 way, I want to try to get it heads up if possible rather than building a high pot.
      Slowly is not a reason. we want to get value so we valuebet against worse Ax, worse flushdraws, loose peels

      c/Raising the Flop or any given street means you either isolate yourself against a better Ace which equitywise you still have 40%ish BUT also you allow people to fold their marginal hand (THEIR RANGE is already weak from the get-go)

      Easiest way to approach a good equity hand like this:
      Flop Bet
      Turn Bet
      River Evaluate (handread)

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      Anyways your Flop c/c is marginal but fine. Giving people ranges here is a waste of time because you are just playing your equity here + people's range are soo wide that you can easily have it wrong. The point of handreading is to exploit something like when someone cBet A72rainbow and then checks on a 5 OOP.


      I have no clue what you do on the Turn. Do you valuebet there in an action freeplay pot :s_o: ??
      I mean you should think about it what you do if you get raised when you bet. Clearly you didnt know --> whatever you do , it is semi-optimal --> spew --> losing money


      So as played check the Turn and see what crazyhouse55 does. You have relative position here, abuse it. And once again giving people ranges here is making the hand supersophisticated and complex while you can just play super KISS (Keep it short and simple) by either check/calling F/T/River or vBet yourself


      - Gerv