[NL2-NL10] NL5 MSS - How to identify sets?

    • makrelion
      makrelion
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 44
      Lately I've been losing stack after stack to slowpayed (or not) sets. Here are few examples.

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG1 (Hero):
      $1.92
      UTG2:
      $7.29
      MP1:
      $2.97
      MP2:
      $5.74
      MP3:
      $2.00
      CO:
      $4.79
      BU:
      $10.53
      SB:
      $4.48
      BB:
      $5.12


      Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A, K.
      Hero raises to $0.15, 6 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.35) 5, J, 7 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20.

      Turn: ($0.75) A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $1.57, SB calls $0.67.

      River: ($3.89) 8 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $3.89.



      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $3.72
      MP1:
      $6.03
      MP2:
      $13.94
      MP3:
      $5.34
      CO (Hero):
      $2.00
      BU:
      $9.32
      SB:
      $6.19


      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
      2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, BB calls $0.55, MP3 calls $0.40.

      Flop: ($1.82) T, 9, 7 (3 players)
      BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($1.82) K (3 players)
      BB bets $0.55, MP3 calls $0.55, Hero raises to $1.40(All-In), BB calls $0.85, MP3 calls $0.85.

      River: ($6.02) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, MP3 checks.

      Final Pot: $6.02.


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $3.77
      CO:
      $1.83
      BU:
      $7.70
      BU (Hero):
      $1.93
      SB:
      $5.00
      SB:
      $1.95
      BB:
      $2.10
      BB:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is BU with Q, Q.
      BB posts deadblind, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, BU calls $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15.

      Flop: ($0.89) T, 4, J (4 players)
      BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.45, BU raises to $0.90, BB folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.80, BU calls $0.90.

      Turn: ($4.49) 9 (3 players)


      River: ($4.49) 2 (3 players)


      Final Pot: $4.49.



      I know that the first two hands were played too aggressively and that led to my loss. But still, I'd like to know what you would have done in my place?

      PS: All villains are unknown
  • 5 replies
    • MeanGreen
      MeanGreen
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.09.2007 Posts: 862
      If you ask me there's not much wrong with those hands. You have TpTk in hands 1 and 2, no really obvious draws or paired boards. If you run into a 2 pair or set I'd say bad luck.

      There's not much I'd probably have done differently, except maybe open the first hand to 4bb. The c-bets in hand 1 and 3 could have been slightly bigger.

      NH?
    • makrelion
      makrelion
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 44
      I see. Thanks for your reply. I was beginning to think that I am doing everything wrong, so your post gave me some confidence in my play ;) .
    • MeanGreen
      MeanGreen
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.09.2007 Posts: 862
      Well I'm no judge, but there's things you can control in poker and things you can't. I think people hitting their sets against you belongs to the second group :)
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      If he's setmining against you, he is losing money and you are winning money since he doesnt have the correct implied odds to hit his set :P

      So with MSS you dont need to indentify sets.

      T.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey makrelion,

      Originally posted by Tampaloeres81
      If he's setmining against you, he is losing money and you are winning money since he doesnt have the correct implied odds to hit his set :P

      So with MSS you dont need to indentify sets.

      T.
      +1

      All the hands you posted are well played. People who setmine against you are losing money longterm, so there's no worries about that and what's more important is the fact that opponents will go broke against you also with worse hands than just sets and against their whole ranges you are ahead with TPTK or overpairs, so you have to keep going broke, since you would lose value otherwise.

      Regards,
      burek2000