[NL2-NL10] Nl10 MSS CR

    • Heffron89
      Heffron89
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $5.77
      CO:
      $5.01
      BU (Hero):
      $4.75
      SB:
      $4.35
      BB:
      $9.36
      MP1:
      $9.79
      MP2:
      $11.94


      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, J.
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.65) J, 8, T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.80.

      Turn: ($3.05) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($3.05) T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: $3.05.

      guy check raising me here I weight his range to be like pair + gutshot/flush draw he wants to get in on flop I really dont see him check 3x raising me with a made hand here.

      He snap checks the turn which make me think he gives up but I check back as i got showdown value.

      Any thoughts?
  • 11 replies
    • mineriva
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      The std chart tells us to fold tptk to a checkraise !

      Not sure if I could fold.

      I might b/f Turn for cheap showdown.
    • noisecore
      noisecore
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      Originally posted by mineriva
      The std chart tells us to fold tptk to a checkraise !

      Not sure if I could fold.

      I might b/f Turn for cheap showdown.
      He won't raise made hands like sets and straights against a midstack if he's a regular because he knows he can get the midstack comitted on the turn if he has TPTK on turn. So I would call the flop as well. Check behind on the turn obv. River he checks again you could bet for value from QJ and KJ but I would prefer a check behind.

      nh :)
    • Heffron89
      Heffron89
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      Originally posted by noisecore
      Originally posted by mineriva
      The std chart tells us to fold tptk to a checkraise !

      Not sure if I could fold.

      I might b/f Turn for cheap showdown.
      He won't raise made hands like sets and straights against a midstack if he's a regular because he knows he can get the midstack comitted on the turn if he has TPTK on turn. So I would call the flop as well. Check behind on the turn obv. River he checks again you could bet for value from QJ and KJ but I would prefer a check behind.

      nh :)
      Ye, sux that he had QT of diamonds =(
    • antstruk
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      In that case your a soul reader
    • Heffron89
      Heffron89
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      Originally posted by antstruk
      In that case your a soul reader
      Eh what?
    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      Originally posted by noisecore
      Originally posted by mineriva
      The std chart tells us to fold tptk to a checkraise !

      Not sure if I could fold.

      I might b/f Turn for cheap showdown.
      He won't raise made hands like sets and straights against a midstack if he's a regular because he knows he can get the midstack comitted on the turn if he has TPTK on turn. So I would call the flop as well. Check behind on the turn obv. River he checks again you could bet for value from QJ and KJ but I would prefer a check behind.

      nh :)
      So on such a drawish board we believe a c/r to be behind TPTK? Sounds fair. But now the next question. If we believe there are many draws there why not ship flop or bet turn to charge the draws?

      What do we do if scare card comes and he donks?
    • Gerv
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      I think when he checks the Turn , he is either check/calling or check/folding. Doesn't matter what you do because I will ship it on the Turn because his range is Jx, flushdraws, pair+OESD most often


      If you decide to check back, I would vBet the River as well because 2 checks from his side just screams cheap SD value hand and you want to negate that

      Shipping it in on the Flop is not bad either but I think EV-wise this is better because all combo draws have tremendous equity vs you on Flop + on the TUrn they might not if they miss


      - Gerv
    • mineriva
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      "Shipping it in on the Flop is not bad either but I think EV-wise this is better because all combo draws have tremendous equity vs you on Flop + on the TUrn they might not if they miss"

      TY great

      What do we do if scare card and he donks.
      Case 1: Turn Qh he ships
      Case 2: Turn Qh he makes small bet
      Case 3 : Turn blank River Qh he ships
      Case 4: Turn blank River Qh he makes small bet.

      Can we only call in case 4?
    • noisecore
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      Originally posted by mineriva


      What do we do if scare card and he donks.
      Case 1: Turn Qh he ships
      Case 2: Turn Qh he makes small bet
      Case 3 : Turn blank River Qh he ships
      Case 4: Turn blank River Qh he makes small bet.

      Can we only call in case 4?
      Yes
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Originally posted by mineriva
      "Shipping it in on the Flop is not bad either but I think EV-wise this is better because all combo draws have tremendous equity vs you on Flop + on the TUrn they might not if they miss"

      TY great

      What do we do if scare card and he donks.
      Case 1: Turn Qh he ships
      Case 2: Turn Qh he makes small bet
      Case 3 : Turn blank River Qh he ships
      Case 4: Turn blank River Qh he makes small bet.

      Can we only call in case 4?

      Case 3 & 4 are not applicable because we just f* valuebet the shizzle out of him on the Turn

      Case 2 is a call based on Pot Odds

      Case 1 is based on timing/reads/dynamics


      - Gervinho
    • tryhardnoob
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      Originally posted by mineriva
      The std chart tells us to fold tptk to a checkraise !

      Not sure if I could fold.

      I might b/f Turn for cheap showdown.
      lol you said std