[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL25 preflop shove w QQ

    • jozata
      jozata
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $72.92
      SB (Hero):
      $26.62
      BB:
      $28.37
      MP3:
      $25.00
      CO:
      $36.70


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      MP3 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, BB calls $2.75, MP3 raises to $8.75, Hero raises to $26.72, BB folds, MP3 calls $16.25.

      Flop: ($54.62) J, T, J (2 players)


      Turn: ($54.62) 7 (2 players)


      River: ($54.62) 5 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $54.62.

      Villains-unknown.Is shoving here vs unknowns +EV?
  • 7 replies
    • ragney
      ragney
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      The dead money from BB kinda makes it interesting. But we're only 29% ahead vs QQ/KK/AA/AKs so I'd fold it.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      MP3 range should be wider than QQ+/AKs, sometimes he´d get all-in also TT/JJ so shove with QQ should be quite standard
    • jozata
      jozata
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      Yeah but there is also a cold-caller whose range I have trouble determining.
    • ragney
      ragney
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      Originally posted by jozata
      Yeah but there is also a cold-caller whose range I have trouble determining.
      It's not going to be KK/AA. AK at its best.
    • DeMarcohsp
      DeMarcohsp
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      MP3 range should be wider than QQ+/AKs, sometimes he´d get all-in also TT/JJ so shove with QQ should be quite standard
      Why would MP3 4 bet wider than that against BB which really looks call happy and our range that will always shove QQ+ AK because in this way he will risk getting it in pretty bad with his TT/JJ as the underdog.

      Also I think that that size wants to make us fold and also make the BB call his very premium hands and get value from him.

      I might be a nit in this case but I mainly put MP3 on QQ+ and a few combos of AK
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by ragney
      Originally posted by jozata
      Yeah but there is also a cold-caller whose range I have trouble determining.
      It's not going to be KK/AA. AK at its best.
      +1
      I think you see there quite often TT/JJ/AQ that don´t really wanna 4-bet and get all-in but at the same time they feel their hand is strong enough to call and see flop
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by DeMarcohsp
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      MP3 range should be wider than QQ+/AKs, sometimes he´d get all-in also TT/JJ so shove with QQ should be quite standard
      Why would MP3 4 bet wider than that against BB which really looks call happy and our range that will always shove QQ+ AK because in this way he will risk getting it in pretty bad with his TT/JJ as the underdog.

      Also I think that that size wants to make us fold and also make the BB call his very premium hands and get value from him.

      I might be a nit in this case but I mainly put MP3 on QQ+ and a few combos of AK
      If he is going to 4-bet with AKs, then he would also 4-bet with AK and I think people don´t really decide that they would just call with AK of clubs and 4-bet AK of spades. So if his hand range is AK, QQ+, then we have 40% equity

      Hand Equity Wins Ties
      QQ-AA, AK, AKs 59.79% 172,607,388 11,080,068
      QQ 40.21% 114,253,440 11,080,068

      and consider he may sometimes also 4-bet/call shove TT/JJ just to get us fold AQ/AK, KQ and other hands that has equity against his pp then can´t really see how we can fold that spot QQ
      But if you really feel that player is not getting all-in anything else than KK/AA then fold is also fine. Just since our 3-betting range is wider than QQ+/AK, then his 4-betting range can easily be wider than QQ+/AKs