[NL2-NL10] should I fold TPTK MSS

    • JHTAN
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      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
      SB ($4.11)
      BB ($2.64)
      UTG ($2.69)
      UTG+1 ($6.67)
      UTG+2 ($2.76)
      MP1 ($3.28)
      Hero ($1.96)
      CO ($2.77)
      BTN ($2.27)

      Dealt to Hero A:club: K:heart:

      UTG raises to $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.20

      FLOP ($0.67) J:club: J:diamond: A:spade:

      UTG checks, Hero bets $0.35, UTG raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.35

      TURN ($2.07) J:club: J:diamond: A:spade: 5:heart:

      UTG bets $1.69 (AI), Hero calls $0.96 (AI)

      RIVER ($3.99) J:club: J:diamond: A:spade: 5:heart: 5:diamond:

      UTG shows K:diamond: J:heart:
      (Pre 25%, Flop 90.5%, Turn 95.5%)

      Hero shows A:club: K:heart:
      (Pre 75%, Flop 9.5%, Turn 4.5%)

      UTG wins $3.73

      Hi,

      The new MSS says bet/fold TP on Flop. But I find it hard to do so when I have TPTK. Should I fold it? Any advice? Thanks
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    • Gerv
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      Why do you find it hard to fold TPTK?

      We are not playing shortstack here :)


      - Gerv
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Why do you find it hard to fold TPTK?

      We are not playing shortstack here :)


      - Gerv
      I find it hard because on the low limit people may overplay TPNK or MP.
      So without any read, should I just fold it?
    • Gerv
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      Fish like to call hands right? so what kind of Ax does he c/R here?
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Fish like to call hands right? so what kind of Ax does he c/R here?
      I am not sure how a fish play poker:D Thank you to let me know that fish like to call. My perception on fish is they over estimate their hand strength.
      For example below, the fish overplayed his hand. According to the new MSS, I should fold to his raise. Besides, I think c/r is usually representing a very strong hand. So, next time I will be more careful against c/r and give more credit to it.
      Gerv, do you think fish like to c/r or they like to slow play monster? Thanks :)


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      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
      SB ($9.20)
      BB ($7.84)
      UTG ($5.80)
      Hero ($2.04)
      UTG+2 ($9.02)
      MP1 ($9.27)
      MP2 ($2.27)
      CO ($5.35)
      BTN ($2.61)

      Dealt to Hero A:spade: K:club:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

      FLOP ($0.45) A:heart: T:heart: T:diamond:

      SB checks, BB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, SB folds, BB raises to $7.69 (AI), Hero calls $1.44 (AI)

      TURN ($4.23) A:heart: T:heart: T:diamond: 3:spade:

      RIVER ($4.23) A:heart: T:heart: T:diamond: 3:spade: 6:diamond:

      Hero shows A:spade: K:club:
      (Pre 75%, Flop 82.3%, Turn 89.8%)

      BB shows Q:spade: A:diamond:
      (Pre 25%, Flop 17.7%, Turn 10.2%)

      Hero wins $3.95
    • Gerv
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      When a fish as Aces full or Tens full, he will slowplay in generally. It depends per fish tho :)
    • JHTAN
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      I had ask you a few questions in previous posts and you don't answer my question. X( Let me repeat the questions.

      1) Do you fold TPTK on this Flop against unknown (without read)?
      2) Do you think fish like to check/raise?

      I very hope that you may answer my questions above. Thanks :s_biggrin:
    • Gerv
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      1) Nope

      2) you didn't finished your question.. check/raise with what generally?


      - Gerv
    • JHTAN
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      I mean, do you think fish like to c/r with nuts? and do you think fish like to c/r with air or semi-bluff? Thanks Gerv. =)
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by JHTAN
      I mean, do you think fish like to c/r with nuts? and do you think fish like to c/r with air or semi-bluff? Thanks Gerv. =)
      There is no general consensus of what fish do. Fish do randomly things so I have to answer yes they c/r with air, semibluff, value and stuff

      - Gerv