[NL2-NL10] 5NL-QQ 4-Bet

    • philhellmutt
      philhellmutt
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.02.2011 Posts: 225
      My main reason for posting this is to get advice on the 4-bet sizing, and maybe even some thoughts on whether a 4-bet is a good idea in the first place.

      Obviously, post-flop is standard to go broke here... not my lucky day... ;)

      This is Rush Poker, so no info on villain.


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
      SB ($5.09)
      BB ($4.95)
      UTG ($1.90)
      UTG+1 ($2.03)
      Hero ($5)
      MP1 ($4.98)
      MP2 ($3.77)
      CO ($2.27)
      BTN ($4.04)

      Dealt to Hero Q:spade: Q:heart:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.18, BB raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $2.12, fold, fold, BB calls $1.32

      FLOP ($4.54) 6:spade: 7:spade: Q:diamond:

      BB checks, Hero bets $2.88 (AI), BB calls $2.83 (AI)

      TURN ($10.20) 6:spade: 7:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade:

      RIVER ($10.20) 6:spade: 7:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade: J:diamond:

      Hero shows Q:spade: Q:heart: (Pre 57%, Flop 94.8%, Turn 75.0%)BB shows K:diamond: A:spade: (Pre 43%, Flop 5.2%, Turn 25.0%)BB wins $9.52
  • 3 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello philhellmutt,

      Preflop: The problem with 4bet is that we just not gonna see a lot of hands which are capable shoving here. Often times they will be pretty strong. Therefore I might even at that point just Call and reevaluate postflop. And your sizing is as well bad, I guess I would do it bigger ~$2,40 at least for the reason that there are so many limpers and they might get the odds when BB Calls. Although when he has been 3betting a lot and squeezing then the 4bet ain't wrong against some aggressive opponent.

      As played
      Postflop: Not much you can do.

      Best regards.
    • philhellmutt
      philhellmutt
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.02.2011 Posts: 225
      Ah, okay...

      So with an unknown opponent, it's best to assume they are tight unless we see evidence to suggest they shove PF with a wider range than AA/KK?

      For example, last night I had QQ again, and I 3-bet, then villain 4-bet. A few hands earlier he pushed all-in with KJo, so I was quite happy to 5-bet shove against this range... he had AQo.

      Thanks again Veriz.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by philhellmutt
      Ah, okay...

      So with an unknown opponent, it's best to assume they are tight unless we see evidence to suggest they shove PF with a wider range than AA/KK?

      For example, last night I had QQ again, and I 3-bet, then villain 4-bet. A few hands earlier he pushed all-in with KJo, so I was quite happy to 5-bet shove against this range... he had AQo.

      Thanks again Veriz.
      On those spots yes. Those limits people are rather passive than aggressive, although I am not saying that getting in there directly preflop is wrong, it's totally fine. :)