Downswing Etiquette??

    • Helipacter
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      Hi,

      Just a question, at what point is it deemed "right" to start whinging about downswings?

      I ask because I've been on a downswing since the weekend, and today I hit a nice -40BB session, can't complain, variance, yada yada yada. As the caca is hitting the fan, when can I start complaining? -200BB? -250?

      Let me know and I'll start learning how to copy graphs into the forum... I know you all loves a bit of dirty chart-porn...

      Cheers
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    • w34z3l
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      According to the PS articles you aren't on a downswing until you've lost 500bb.

      You really need at /least/ 1000bb before you are allowed to whine.
    • FaulV16ke
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      Originally posted by w34z3l
      According to the PS articles you aren't on a downswing until you've lost 500bb.

      You really need at /least/ 1000bb before you are allowed to whine.
      Cannot agree. I would suggest nit whining management. Whining after you lose 1000BB is OK but for a solid player whining starts after losing 1500-2500BBs. There is a lot of stuff about whinig management on PS forums, you should try to look for threads with F*CKING, F****CK and SH*T in subjects.
    • NightFrostaSS
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      How about not whining at all?
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      How about not whining at all?
      but.. but.. it's so much fun to vent your frustrations pretending anyone else gives a fuck about your downswing :D
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Originally posted by FaulV16ke

      for a solid player whining starts after losing 1500-2500BBs.
      Depends on standard deviation and your winrate imo.
    • jbpatzer
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      I wrote a little simulator yesterday, so I can show you some stuff. With a winrate of 5bb/100 and a standard deviation of 80bb/100, if you run 1000 simulations, here are the runs with the best end result and the biggest downswing after one million hands.



      But if you look at just the first 100K hands you get.



      The moral of the story? You can whinge after a 100K downswing, but if you're still losing money after 1M hands, you're a losing player.
    • Helipacter
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      Hahaha, excellent responses!

      JBPatzer - hopefully that graph won't happen! I'm 2K hands in and I'm 10BB/100, hopefully the freefall will stop soon. BTW - is the name chess-related?
    • Jim4rdo
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      i'm on a downswing but it's literally because i'm a terrible player, haha.

      so not really a downswing at all. <3 them micro leaks :<
    • jbpatzer
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      Originally posted by Helipacter
      Hahaha, excellent responses!

      JBPatzer - hopefully that graph won't happen! I'm 2K hands in and I'm 10BB/100, hopefully the freefall will stop soon. BTW - is the name chess-related?
      It is chess related. Details in my blog.
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by jbpatzer

      The moral of the story? You can whinge after a 100K downswing, but if you're still losing money after 1M hands, you're a losing player.
      that is definitely too long a test for me to find out whether i suck.......... imagine getting a job and then realise 6months down the road that u actually sucked. lol
    • jbpatzer
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      Originally posted by jbpatzer

      The moral of the story? You can whinge after a 100K downswing, but if you're still losing money after 1M hands, you're a losing player.
      that is definitely too long a test for me to find out whether i suck.......... imagine getting a job and then realise 6months down the road that u actually sucked. lol
      It is what it is. No escape from the maths. :f_cry:
    • supeyrio
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      so we say