Sick Hand!!! Questioning if I made a mistake.

    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      Joined: 27.10.2008 Posts: 14
      I played deep into the Daily Dollar on Full Tilt. There is about 1k people left and Im in the top 200 Stacks.

      Here is the hand.


      Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t125 - 9 players - View hand 1246490
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      Gutek007 (MP1): t58703 M = 22.36
      penguin1979 (MP2): t17284 M = 6.58
      Clayton Blayne (CO): t14806 M = 5.64
      Ace772233 (BTN): t12497 M = 4.76
      theoppositioner (SB): t23178 M = 8.83
      Hero (BB): t59600 M = 22.70
      septimiu12 (UTG): t44437 M = 16.93
      fesm (UTG+1): t20572 M = 7.84
      silichy (UTG+2): t38185 M = 14.55

      Pre Flop: (t2625) Hero is BB with 4 :spade: 4 :diamond:
      septimiu12 calls t1000, fesm calls t1000, 1 fold, Gutek007 calls t1000, 2 folds, Ace772233 calls t1000, theoppositioner calls t500, Hero checks

      Flop: (t7125) Q :club: 7 :club: 4 :heart: (6 players)
      theoppositioner checks, Hero bets t7125, septimiu12 folds, fesm folds, Gutek007 calls t7125, Ace772233 raises to t11372 all in, theoppositioner calls t11372, Hero calls t4247, Gutek007 calls t4247

      Turn: (t52613) 9 :spade: (4 players - 1 is all in)
      theoppositioner bets t2000, Hero raises to t12500, Gutek007 raises to t46206 all in, theoppositioner calls t8681 all in, Hero calls t33706

      River: (t155706) Q :diamond: (4 players - 3 are all in)

      Final Pot: t155706
      Gutek007 shows 7 :spade: 7 :heart: (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
      Ace772233 shows Q :heart: K :diamond: (three of a kind, Queens)
      theoppositioner shows 6 :club: 9 :club: (two pair, Queens and Nines)
      Hero shows 4 :spade: 4 :diamond: (a full house, Fours full of Queens)
      Gutek007 wins t71050
      Gutek007 wins t32043
      Gutek007 wins t52613

      I have a feeling I should have folded when the other big stack shoved, but I feel he could have done that with AA or KK or a straight flush draw also. so I'm a bit on the wall about what I should have done.

      Please feel free to comment. I would really love your input.

      Thanks,
  • 18 replies
    • winzsavana
      winzsavana
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      nothing wrong, 2 set in a same time ..who knows...
    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      I know the hand in itself is hard to get away from. but considering I had such a huge stack and so did the winner of the hand I think I should have folded and continued to grind for the rest of the tourney and just play with a 30k stack.

      there were only 1k players left and average stack was about 20k so I guess my question is should I have folded and not committed my chips and tournament life to that one hand ? or am I just over-thinking it ?
    • pogodon
      pogodon
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      this is a very tough one although you could of put him on 77 due to the lack of pre flop action but i guess only a pro makes that lay down IMO
    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      I weighed in the 77 possibility but I thought he may have been on a extremely strong draw like 56 of clubs. in any event now that I have had time to cool off I believe that I was wrong in calling his all in. with 36k left behind I could have still made a great run in the tournament and would not of had to play shove/fold for a long time. I don't consider myself a pro by any means but I feel like I have the experience to make it deep in that tournament every time I play it. Conclusively my own analysis is that I should have folded to to all in Re raise and continued to play as a moderately large stack.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
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      easy fold
    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      not so easy in the moment but looking at it now yes it is an easy fold.

      Thanks,
    • AGTpunx
      AGTpunx
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      Joined: 08.11.2010 Posts: 94
      Im never folding.
      The standard of play in the Daily dollar is often abysmall with players donking off huge stacks on unlikely draws or with AA,KK on scary boards. Unless the player(s) involved are super super tight you gotta call IMO....
    • OZSA
      OZSA
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      Originally posted by colossusone
      not so easy in the moment but looking at it now yes it is an easy fold.

      Thanks,
      no, ihufa is just trolling, its not an easy fold, at the daily dollar you never ever lay down a set without a flush hitting or except if you had a table for 100hands and a guy was the sickest nit 5/3 (or lower) and he pushes you, then i fold
    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      The guy wasn't tight at all actually he was doing allot of post flop raising. but I can help but think that I should have seen the set of 7's before I called and just folded.

      What sucked is I kept telling myself when I was at 60k was don't commit to pots win small ones, and make final table, yet I went crazy and shoved off my entire stack.

      I beat myself up allot :P
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Never ever ever ever ever fold there :D Just a cooler, in the Daily Dollar you cannot lay down a set on such a dry board.
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      You can't fold a set in micro stakes MTTS, as simple as that, unless the flop is like JT9 monotone. Yeah you will be behind some %% of the time, but looking that you would still have some chips left is wrong.

      You play MTTs to win and if you would have won the pot you would probably be a chipleader at that point with a very good chance of making the final table, while with an average stack you can be out in 1 preflop cooler or suckout anyway.
    • luizsilveira
      luizsilveira
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      It's on Harrington's book, he says every time he hears of a player who folded a set on a tournament for fear of a bigger set he thinks inside: "what an idiot".

      His words are also: "if you lost with a set to a better set it was just not your tournament."

      I'm not that experienced to try to make my own opinion count, I'm just sharing/remembering what's in one of the most acclaimed poker books around...
    • OZSA
      OZSA
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      keep in mind, you play for the 1st place in such small prize pool tournaments, and most important stuff, tournaments are luckboxing, you cannot win without luck/setups/suckouts..
    • colossusone
      colossusone
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      I agree that you need to be extremely lucky to win such a large tournament. However you also need to make decisions that will keep you in the tournament longer rather then just possibly winning the current hand you are in. I would argue that if i folded that hand i would have easily made top 100 and maybe further. Instead i made a call that put my tournament life at a huge risk. I understand that most players are huge donkeys but it was correct to fold the hand in that situation.
    • jasonforan
      jasonforan
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      imo opinion you should of raised all in on the flop after ace77 raised your bet because there was enough in the pot already to go all in and also there was too many players involved on a drawy board, that or fold but it be a really tough fold.Wouldnt of made a difference in this hand i know but seems to be a better move than just calling...
    • colossusone
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      I would have gone All in however it was blocked. All i could do on the flop was call. Im not exactly sure why that is but i didn't have the option to shove.
    • Alficor1
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      Who the fuck can fold bottom set in $1 donkament 60 bbs deep? Mandatory stack off ldo.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
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      Never commit all ur chips