[NL2-NL10] Shoving with draw

    • Iolar
      Iolar
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.01.2011 Posts: 106
      Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      CO: $2.26
      Hero (BTN): $4.50
      SB: $2.34
      BB: $2.00
      UTG: $2.56
      UTG+1: $2.00
      MP: $1.72
      MP+1: $3.41

      SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T:club: J:club:

      fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.04, SB raises to $0.13, fold, MP+1 calls $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

      Flop: ($0.41, 3 players) Q:club: 8:diamond: K:club:
      SB bets $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.47, SB raises to $2.21, Hero calls $0.74

      Hey there

      What do you think of this shove (well near shove - I dropped the slider)?

      I think I'm a slight fave, unless he has a set, but if I call and miss on the turn what do I do?
  • 5 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Iolar,

      I wouldn't say that you are like that much ahead there, you likely going for a coinflip, although I guess it shouldn't be that wrong to get it in there with your OESD+FD, while we as well might even get fold equity there.

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 48,751% 48,751% 0,000% 51,249% JcTc
      Player 2: 51,249% 51,249% 0,000% 48,751% KK-QQ, 88, AKs, KQs, AKo, KQo

      But would be as well be possible to just Call it and reevaluate on turn, if for example he is giving as well good odds there then you might even Call on turn but if rather not then you can still fold and even save your money.

      But for example lets say he has like AK:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 52,020% 52,020% 0,000% 47,980% JcTc
      Player 2: 47,980% 47,980% 0,000% 52,020% AKs, AKo

      We do pretty great against that kind of hand. :)

      Best regards.
    • Iolar
      Iolar
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.01.2011 Posts: 106
      Yeah, I was going for fe as it was only a couple of hands afte this one, and he was giving me lots of abuse.

      Would this read affect / change your decision? Or call still better?

      Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $4.76
      BB: $2.07
      Hero (UTG): $2.47
      UTG+1: $2.00
      MP: $1.82
      MP+1: $2.50
      LP: $2.00
      CO: $1.22
      BTN: $2.72

      SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A:heart: A:diamond:

      Hero raises to $0.08, UTG+1 raises to $0.27, MP calls $0.27, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.26, fold, Hero raises to $2.47, UTG+1 calls $1.73, fold, fold

      Flop: ($4.56, 2 players) T:club: 5:heart: 4:diamond:

      Turn: ($4.56, 2 players) 2:heart:

      River: ($4.56, 2 players) 8:diamond:

      he had KK
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Ship it, but please next time if you have another hand then open just a new thread. Thanks! :)
    • Iolar
      Iolar
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.01.2011 Posts: 106
      Sorry Veriz, didn't mean to ask for eval on AA hand.

      AA happened first, and made me think villain was tilting, that's when I shoved the draw.

      My question was would that read make you more likely to shove with the oesd + fd or you still think it's better to call?

      Sorry bout that
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Iolar
      Sorry Veriz, didn't mean to ask for eval on AA hand.

      AA happened first, and made me think villain was tilting, that's when I shoved the draw.

      My question was would that read make you more likely to shove with the oesd + fd or you still think it's better to call?

      Sorry bout that
      Oh, I understand now. Yes, this would me more likely make to Call since he might be tilted and more often he would be Calling here and not have that much fold equity at all. And as well he ain't CBetting into HU pot which is even stronger hand.