Clarify which chart I should use in this spot

    • pyure
      pyure
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.09.2008 Posts: 258
      I'm dealt 88 in the small blind, everyone folds around to the cutoff who raises. The button folds and now it's my turn to act. Do I:

      (a) Raise according to the 3 bet chart
      or
      (b) Fold according to the steal/resteal chart ?

      ?(

      I'm assuming it's raise, and that the steal charts are only used if it's folded around to me, but could someone clarify please ?

      Thanks
  • 5 replies
    • kazediel
      kazediel
      Silver
      Joined: 29.11.2009 Posts: 5,259
      Apply the logic

      Do you really think that you can ever fold such a good hand like 88 in that spot?
    • Heffron89
      Heffron89
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.01.2009 Posts: 813
      Charts doesnt take into account opponents play etc which is a huuuuuuuge factor here, how often he raise from btn, steal %, fold to resteal etc

      But I dont like fold 88 vs btn open.
    • kingkong2
      kingkong2
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 88
      chart says reraise with poket 8s on a raise fro co or bu
    • AKM247
      AKM247
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.05.2010 Posts: 412
      It depends ont he villain and situation I would say, I am hearing a lot that the chart is not do all end all;

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $9.92
      MP2:
      $12.37
      MP3:
      $5.98
      CO:
      $5.43
      BU:
      $9.06
      SB (Hero):
      $1.95
      BB:
      $5.07
      UTG1:
      $7.66
      UTG2:
      $6.24


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.15, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.43, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.28.

      Flop: ($0.91) T, 3, A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.60, MP1 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $0.91.

      The above instance is an example of re-raising 88 from SB, where I did'nt hit flop & made cbet of 60% pot because of the A, it's a scare card so villain either has it or doesnt.


      Plus what could villain be raising with from CO;

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $2.14
      BB:
      $5.00
      CO (Hero):
      $2.72
      BU:
      $21.59


      Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
      Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $0.07.

      I would say since players loosen up in late position I think 88 is good enough for a re-raise. However it does depend on the villain. IMO I would reraise much of the time because I play fewer hands and I think it gives me tight table image.

      btw - if anyone wants to criticise or give feedback on my examples of playing 88 feel free :f_cool:

      AKM
    • marlonmlk
      marlonmlk
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.03.2009 Posts: 57
      Honestly I don't like to even raise from SB.

      If you know the range of steal of your opponent, it could be a nice move.

      But what if you get re-raised with a flop like that? If you do alot of re-raise from SB, the regs can start to exploit you very easily.

      Imo, I hate playing from SB, and I always play carefully.. It's an easy spot to get trapped and loose money.