[NL2-NL10] nl25 ak gutshot heads up

    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      saw flop|saw showdown

      UTG ($14.35)
      UTG+1 ($21.20)
      MP1 ($4.30)
      MP2 ($33.35)
      Hero ($4.65)
      Button ($4.95)
      SB ($22.45)
      BB ($31.30)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
      4 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

      Flop: ($2.25) T, J, 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.45, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.20 (All-In).

      Turn: ($9.55) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: ($9.55) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $9.55

      I guess this is an easy call with quite ok potodds? Or should I have taken a freecard instead?
  • 8 replies
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
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      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Good call, you've got 4 outs for gutshot and an additional discounted 4 outs for your overcards I think.
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      Yeah I thought so too, at least 2 good outs for my overcards plus the gutshot
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
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      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      I don't think you need to discount your 6 overcards to only 2 outs, 4 or maybe 3 seems better.
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      Ah yeah, I meant 3, typo :)
    • xylere
      xylere
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      Joined: 27.05.2007 Posts: 2,939
      forget about freecards)))

      when you have AK as overcards + gutshot you almost always want to play your hand till the end... by pushing directly ot cbet/calling. After a cbet you will be deadly commited) therefore, when your stack:pot ratio is 1.5- even 1.7 : 1 or less - push to generate maximum fold equity, otherwise cbet/call)
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Yeah ok. But what should I do on the turn if Im just called? c/c c/f or just get it all in?
    • xylere
      xylere
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      Push of course. Lets examine simple situation:

      you have full 20BB stack and get AK

      pre-flop: raise 4BB - opp. calls

      flop: stack 16BB, pot 8BB (blinds are raked)
      you bet 6BB - opp. calls

      turn: stack 10BB, pot 20BB

      you are getting 3:1 - obviously you have no choice, but push) besides, calling is likely a sign of weakness there, since they will often fold or reraise with top pair and even with lower pocket pair...

      Anyway, you will have more the needed 25% equity most of the time, however, it just won`t happen too often, since you don`t offer any immplied odds to your opponents for calling against you. therefore, if someone is calling your bets a lot on postflop betting rounds - he is likely a moron)
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      Yeah ok, thanks :) . And yeah, indeed they are :O , calling for setvalue too lol.. Quite a couple of people do that though :P .. Not that Im complaining haha, gives us more of the monies xD