Gold Video from 27 Jan 2011

    • Thiemo1981
      Thiemo1981
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      Hey Lessthanthree and Chenny8888 and of course all others !

      Thought I might reach you here best.
      I watched the above stated video and have a question to the AQo hand starting at minute 30.
      An unknown player or fish limps early position at 40/80 and you have AQo with 1360 in the SB.
      If you devide the pot of 200 into SB and BB you exactly having 10 effective BB.
      I usually directly shove in such spots and dont raise to whatever amount because I dont want to play OOP with a hand that doesnt hit the flop most of the time. Except for trapping hands I cant imagine a range this play could be bad against. Worst case will be flipping (in this specific situation, not if you look range vs range), most of the time 60:40, sometimes domination if he calls.
      I was wondering why you two didnt even consider this option.
      I thought perhaps it is because you want to have a better chance to leave weaker A in the unknowns range or you just dont want to put all your knowledge into coaching ;)

      Looking forward to an answer.

      Thanks.
  • 2 replies
    • lessthanthreee
      lessthanthreee
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      Joined: 30.06.2009 Posts: 16,300
      Hi there

      I replied in the comments of the video, but ill post it here as well.

      "a shove is +EV. but IMO, we lose value against a lot of hands that we dominate like KQ/QJ/Ax . these hands would not call a shove, but will stack off very light on flops and will just fold to a cbet when they miss. so a small value-raise pre-flop should produce a higher long term profit"
    • pzhon
      pzhon
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      Pushing for 17 BB is definitely worth considering, and AQo is good enough to shove there. Pushing is definitely better than folding, but you also have to consider other alternatives.

      I usually would not push from the button after one limp with an effective stack depth of 17 bb. The reason is that a small raise might let me play a pot in position. I normally would shove only about 13-15 bb after one limper when I have position. However, it is reasonable to push a larger amount from the blinds, or when the bubble dynamics mean a small raise would ask to be reraised out. Of course, to risk a larger amount compared with the reward, you usually need a tighter range.

      I don't worry too much about leaving weaker aces in the range of the limper. I don't know exactly why, but you will see people limp/call-all-in with many worse aces. It's not a great play for them to call a push with A5o, but open-limping is often a bad play in the first place, so you shouldn't be too surprised by the bad limp/calls you will see.