[NL20-NL50] [NL50 RUSH SH] spots to preflop shove

    • HELLutek
      HELLutek
      Gold
      Joined: 19.07.2008 Posts: 739
      I was sweating with my friend (he plays rush nl200/400) and such a spot occured:

      $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($57)
      UTG+1 ($50.15)
      CO ($71.75)
      BTN ($50)
      Hero (SB) ($124.40)
      BB ($58.20)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB J:spade: J:club:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.25, BB raises to $12, BTN folds, Hero ??

      He said it's great spot to shove, because it's also great spot for BB to 4bet. BB had 25% 4bet but it was 1/4. What do you think? Thought it's too small sample to judge, and it's nl50.

      About 20 minutes later this happened:

      $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($55.15)
      UTG+1 ($45)
      Hero (CO) ($61.10)
      BTN ($278.60)
      SB ($54.10)
      BB ($79.20)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is CO K:club: A:spade:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.50, BB raises to $13, Hero ??

      SB 20/17 3bet 8.1% 3bet from sb 7%
      BB 21/18 3bet 7.5% 3bet from bb 13% 4bet 15% 4bet range 2.6%
      Had about 2k hands on both of them.

      This time I ended up shoving, since they had fairly big numbers and I didn't expect to get called by worse than KK.


      What are your thoughts on both spots?
  • 2 replies
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Generally speaking you shouldn't be 3-betting hands like AK, JJ if your not willing to get them in preflop.

      In both those spots its any easy 5-bet jam given the late positions and you have around 40% equity with both those hands and the BB can be bluffing a lot in that spot so you do have some FE and sometimes yo get called by worse like AQs or TT.

      You shouldn't depend on 4-bet stats unless you have at least 2K hands on your opponent since this stat needs a massive sample size to be accurate.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Generally speaking you shouldn't be 3-betting hands like AK, JJ if your not willing to get them in preflop.

      In both those spots its any easy 5-bet jam given the late positions and you have around 40% equity with both those hands and the BB can be bluffing a lot in that spot so you do have some FE and sometimes yo get called by worse like AQs or TT.

      You shouldn't depend on 4-bet stats unless you have at least 2K hands on your opponent since this stat needs a massive sample size to be accurate.
      +1
      I´d also shove at both cases, since seems like they might be 4-bet bluffing so you always have there fold equity