[NL20-NL50] NL50 [SH], UTG, small PP, cbet or not?

    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $81.65
      CO:
      $41.40
      BU:
      $30.20
      SB:
      $56.05
      BB:
      $53.65
      MP2 (Hero):
      $58.15


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4, 4.
      Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BU calls $1.75, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($4.25) A, K, 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50

      Villain's stats:


      Here it is. It looks like a good cbet spot, but please pay attention
      to Villain's Vs missed cbet stats.

      I think, that this player is trying to make money on the Flop, when I check.
      Posibly also on the Turn, too.
      That means he is very likely to float me.
      So, my worst strategy is to cbet and give up on the Turn,
      which I actually did in this example. So, my counterstrategy vs.
      this player type should be giving up a lot on the flop and cbetting only
      good value hands + bluff-catch on the T with hands like mid-pair or top pair.

      Q: Do you agree?

      Q: Do I cbet sets and ck/r T or also call T and ck/r R?
  • 4 replies
    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      Wanted to also add another example with different Villain:


      Again hand is the same and positions also the same,
      but Villain is different. Only here are a bit more hands ... to see,
      what am I talking about.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Sure he would float you flushdraws, broadway hands and doesn´t want to fold any pair, but you also get him to fold hands like 56s, T9s and some other hands that he called pf+ you can always have there strong hand yourself and if you have bet once on the flop and then going to c/r on the turn I doubt he would float you 100% of his range
      But ofcourse if you feel that he isn´t folding and has been floating you a lot, c/f flop would also be reasonable. With 44 you don´t have a lot of equity anyway
    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Sure he would float you flushdraws, broadway hands and doesn´t want to fold any pair, but you also get him to fold hands like 56s, T9s and some other hands that he called pf+ you can always have there strong hand yourself and if you have bet once on the flop and then going to c/r on the turn I doubt he would float you 100% of his range
      But ofcourse if you feel that he isn´t folding and has been floating you a lot, c/f flop would also be reasonable. With 44 you don´t have a lot of equity anyway
      Yeah. I feel like spliting my hands here in a few groups:

      1. Air - hand like this, with which betting flop and ck/r T would
      be pretty bad, because my equity sucks, if I get called.
      Just drawing to 2 outs and giving up R anyway.

      2. Semi-bluff hands. If I have just QJo, then it would probably be a ck/fold T,
      but sometimes (rare) a ck/r on the Turn, if I have a Q :heart: Jx.
      I feel, like cbetting F and ck/r T with flushdraws here (All of them).

      3. Medium value hands. Lets say Kx or Ax type hands.
      I can bet flop for value as he will be floating a lot and
      then I can check/call Turn, which I expect to be proffitable,
      because he would float a lot.
      As I'm opening from UTG, then my range of Ax would contain hands like:
      AQ-AT. Kx like: KQ-KJ and maybe KTs. QQ-77 That's most of the time, which depends on table conditions also.
      I also don't see a reason, why should I ck/r T with hands like AQ or AJ.

      Q: What do you think about it? Ck/r T to protect a hand from flush draw floats?
      In a way it is like: Those hands, that call my T ck/raise will valuebet the R anyway.
      So, I think, the best line would be: F - cbet, T - ck/c, R - ck/c.

      Q: Another question here is: What do we do with medium pocket pairs?
      Let's say we have TT-QQ in this spot. Other hands like 99-77 looks to marginal for me to ck/c T.
      OK. QQ-TT I'm probably ck/c some T, if there is not a :heart: and then evaluate
      on the River, but most of the time it is going to be a fold anyway.

      4. Strong hands. AK, AA, KK, 88.
      With AQ my line was: F - cbet, T - ck/c, R - ck/c.
      But here with this hand we can create 2 scenarious. (I obviously want to let him float T)
      Scenario 1: F - cbet, T - ck/raise. In this line I don't like 1 thing, which is ck/r T,
      because those hands who call my T raise will valuebet the River anyway.
      So, let's create scenario 2.
      Scenario 2: F - cbet, T - ck/c, R - ck/raise. Here in this line I'm allowing Villain to
      bluff also on the River.

      Q: What do you think about strong hand plays?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Q: What do you think about it? Ck/r T to protect a hand from flush draw floats?
      In a way it is like: Those hands, that call my T ck/raise will valuebet the R anyway.
      So, I think, the best line would be: F - cbet, T - ck/c, R - ck/c.

      I would c/r turn AQ+, since other cases I think we could c/r too often to better hands and rather to c/c showdown hand and let him to barrel his missed draws. if I c/r AQ+ for value I would not really c/c river, but rather shove to get called from worse hands

      Q: Another question here is: What do we do with medium pocket pairs?
      Let's say we have TT-QQ in this spot. Other hands like 99-77 looks to marginal for me to ck/c T.
      OK. QQ-TT I'm probably ck/c some T, if there is not a and then evaluate
      on the River, but most of the time it is going to be a fold anyway.
      To me QQ-99 would be the same. he either has there worse hands than Kx and bet to get us off the hand or better and Kx hands and bet for value.
      I would prefer c/c turn with 99-QQ and try to go to showdown

      Q: What do you think about strong hand plays?
      - I would prefer c/r turn also with strong hands and then shove river, since I can´t be sure he is bluffing always on the river and if he has there weak Ax hand or Kx he might easily check behind