william hill NL2 - where the adventure starts

    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Joined: 08.10.2009 Posts: 51
      Few words about me:

      My name is Tom, i'm 24 yrs old, i study electronics and computer science at Warsaw Univesity of Technology. I've been playing poker since 3 years, without any spectacular success. I'm c8ting this blog in order to challange myself to become a better nl cash player, understand the game better so I'm really hoping for some hands review and advices in comments. I read a few poker books 'every hand revealed' , 'Power holdem' by neagreanu and now im reading 'no limit theory and practise' by Sklansky (this book is really awesome so far ). I think i have some basic-medium poker 'know how' so lets get started....


      game rules

      why william hill room :

      • software that doesn't allowe me to play comfortable mass tables, so im gonna be focusing on 6 tables max no mass spams ;]
      • I lost there all 50$ starting capital (i played nl10 ;D - yeah wasn't a great idea) basicly on few suckout in a row like QQ vs A2 (300 deep ai pf) AA vs 87, KK vs JJ , AA vxs 66 , AK vs JJ , JJ vs AK. All in all i ended broke but 31$ under the ev line so i hope the poker gods in this room will run a few ai in my favor now ;]


      strategy:
      • 6 tables 100bb stack (2$)
      • starting cash 45$
      • TAG ABC poker
      • try to play siuted connectors but only in position
      • No monster hand no big pot - avoid pots 30bb without at least top pair top kicker
      • all in pre flop only QQ,KK,AA


      I'll try to play about 1k hands everyday. post my graph and stats from every session.


      the very first day - big upswing

      I got this crazy session yesterday noon. Played tight and hit floops one by one ;]. I made one stupid call at the end of the session: on flop K high I called an 100bb(2Ł game) all in with AK (preflop reiser) he showed AA but miracliusly K to the rescue on river. That boost my roll greatly. I feel a bit sorry for this guy but...now i feel that now its my turn to get a little luckier ;]

      session 1 graph:



      summary:
      hands: 2.3k
      BB/100 : 24.58
      bankroll: +14.57$

      day one statistics:

      VP$IP: 25%
      VP$IFSB: 42%
      Raised Preflop: 10.92%
      Folded to Flop bet: 68.67%
      Went to Showdown: 28.25%
      Won $ at Showdown 56.44%


      monsters :
      (hand/time/win%,BB/Hand)
      AA 11 100% 13.09
      AKs 6 50% -4.42
      ]AKo 24 58% 4.90
      KK 5 100% 8.80
      QQ 14 100% 9.54
      JJ 9 88% 3.94
      KJs 10 40% 9.10
      99 14 85% 7.71
      Q9s 13 38% 4.81
      AJo 22 54% 2.39
  • 51 replies
    • Andyuk18
      Andyuk18
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      Good luck axc, hope you like the colour blue. You'll see a lot of it.
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      ty :)

      Few questions:

      AK - it's a very good hand ofc good for open reis but what should i do when i face a rerejs from 3bb to 10-12bb from M, CO ,Button ? I mean i think its just hard to call and hit A or K on flop. Should i rereis and fold if he moves all in ?

      What about this situaction: should I call? Or even should I rereis preflop
      iPoker - GBP0.01/GBP0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: G3.45
      SB: G2.66
      Hero (BB): G2.30
      UTG: G3.45
      MP: G2.57
      CO: G2.08

      SB posts SB G0.01, Hero posts BB G0.02

      Pre Flop: (G0.03) Hero has Q:spade: A:spade:

      fold, MP raises to G0.08, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls G0.06

      Flop: (G0.17, 2 players) 6:club: K:spade: 9:spade:
      Hero bets G0.08, MP raises to G0.41, fold

      MP wins G0.31
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Joined: 08.10.2009 Posts: 51
      today so far enormous badbeats

      I'm down -11$ lost 3 big all in's pf: AA vs AK (3.68$) JJ vs KT (3$) and KK vs AA (3.63$)

      rest is just tilt so I make a break today.

      I just got +5$ bonus so overall uptill now im +10.5 $
    • jvivas1990
      jvivas1990
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      Joined: 10.01.2010 Posts: 712
      bro i have a question i have 46$ atm and i am playing nl10 in this room...why u recommend me and why think u of this bankroll gestion in this room(things like u saw)
    • Hahaownedlolz
      Hahaownedlolz
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      Originally posted by axcdd

      day one statistics:

      VP$IP: 25%
      VP$IFSB: 42%
      Raised Preflop: 10.92%
      Folded to Flop bet: 68.67%
      Went to Showdown: 28.25%
      Won $ at Showdown 56.44%


      VPIP is good as far i'm aware. But i think your preflopraise is not high enough.. less then half your hands you play.. you should be aiming to have your vpip and pfr very close to each other. You also play fit or fold on the flop.. basically folding every single flop you miss. Now this might be profitable at NL2.. but your extremely exploitable.. So while you might not have to adjust that right now.. It's definitely something to keep in mind.. Vs a player like you i'd bet every single flop because your folding almost 7 out of 10 times anyway.
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Thx for this advices i also got this feeling that i'm limping too many good hands and im folding too soon probably better hands. I'll try to play differently in todays session and see the results.
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Originally posted by jvivas1990
      bro i have a question i have 46$ atm and i am playing nl10 in this room...why u recommend me and why think u of this bankroll gestion in this room(things like u saw)
      I think that 5c/10c blinds are too big for this bankroll cause of suckouts. I've played 10c medium-deep stack (200bb per table = 20$). In like 13 minutes i lost 42$ moving all in with AA and KK (lost to 66 and AK) that's like 90% of roll gone even though calls where correct and with 8$ left thats nearly impossible to recover from.
    • jvivas1990
      jvivas1990
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      Joined: 10.01.2010 Posts: 712
      thanks for your recommend and good luck with your project!!
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Todays session (700 hands only) was just crazy I had big swings, made some hero calls -> made some donky calls. Anyway it ended good cause im +3$ up. I wanted to place graph and some interesting hands which i lost and ask for advice but apparently wh soft on vista runned in guest mode can't save hand history ;/ (Or if anyone knows where he does it pm me )
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      It seems that my university wifi admins blocked port 443 and i cant play on william hill during my uni breaks ;/ this suckss so much...


      update 1:

      so i deposit 10$ on PS just to not waste time and gamble a bit ;] . I've played there 6 tables 1.6$ each for 2h. I had like 1000 hands. I made a profit of about 5$ so my current roll there is 15$ ;].

      Unluckly i didnt tick the save hand history box there so no graph again ;/ ( gosh i hope my db will grow soon )
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      UPDATE 2:

      small session about 800 hands

      graph:



      summary:
      hands: 795
      BB/100 : 43.49
      bankroll: +8.79$

      update 2 statistics:
      VP$IP: 21%
      VP$IFSB: 34.90%
      Raised Preflop: 13.46%
      Folded to Flop bet: 70.0% ???
      >action on flop:
      reis: 4.3%
      bet: 20.55%
      check: 44.01%
      fold: 23%
      cbet: 25%
      Went to Showdown: 28.41%
      Won $ at Showdown 70.00%


      Conclusion
      I got little time so i played 8 tables 100bb. The session was very good my AA rereis/allin was called 4 out of 5 times i luckily cracked KK with my QQ as u can see i got sick Won $ at showdown 70% (35 out of 50). Im happy that my Preflop reis stats went up a bit I understood that i flat called and limp with hands that i should ez reis. My goal is to get my VPIP to 25% and PF to about 18-20%. I think i should cbet more often about 40%-50% of the time, this session i was so busy at this 8 tables that sometimes i forgot to cbet and lost a few Showdowns vs weaker holdings. Overall my bankroll is now 67.85$ ( BR +22.85$) and i got 2.5k wh points.


      update3:

      position stats: (VPIP / PR / CCPF/ bbhand)
      UTG : 24 20 NA 0.63
      UTG+1: 19 17 20 0.21
      CO : 17 13 20 -0.45
      Button: 20 15 11 1.57
      SB : 35 15 NA 0.98
      BB : 11 4 NA -0.26


      hmmm.... my CO play is terrible..about this utg VPIP i think its just too small sample and i got really good hands there...
    • axcdd
      axcdd
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      Update4 - Is this even possible ??

      graph




      I was up 10$ - all the allins where corrent i was a favour and won, and then suddenly i began to loosing allins where i was way ahead and i lost 4 of them i a row -.-



      plz comment this hands

      iPoker - $0.01/$0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $2.00
      Hero (UTG): $1.96
      MP: $0.99
      CO: $0.94
      BTN: $1.41
      SB: $1.96

      SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 2:spade: 2:diamond:

      Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.07, fold

      Flop: ($0.18, 2 players) 9:spade: Q:diamond: 4:club:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.18, 2 players) Q:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.09, SB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.09

      River: ($0.54, 2 players) 2:club:
      SB bets $0.54, Hero raises to $1.70, SB calls $1.16

      Hero mucks 2:spade: 2:diamond: (Full House, Twos full of Queens) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
      SB shows 9:heart: 9:diamond: (Full House, Nines full of Queens) (PreFlop 82%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
      SB wins $3.68

      2.
      iPoker - €0.01/€0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: €6.35
      BB: €1.40
      UTG: €3.28
      Hero (CO): €2.36
      BTN: €1.99

      SB posts SB €0.01, BB posts BB €0.02

      Pre Flop: (€0.03) Hero has A:club: Q:club:

      UTG raises to €0.08, Hero calls €0.08, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: (€0.19, 2 players) J:club: Q:spade: 7:heart:
      UTG bets €0.16, Hero calls €0.16

      Turn: (€0.51, 2 players) A:diamond:
      UTG checks, Hero bets €0.38, UTG calls €0.38

      River: (€1.27, 2 players) K:club:
      UTG checks, Hero checks

      UTG shows K:diamond: K:heart: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (PreFlop 68%, Flop 76%, Turn 14%)
      Hero mucks A:club: Q:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (PreFlop 32%, Flop 24%, Turn 86%)
      UTG wins €1.19

      3.iPoker - $0.01/$0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $2.06
      Hero (SB): $1.63
      BB: $0.88
      UTG: $0.82
      MP: $2.38
      CO: $3.15

      Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J:heart: T:diamond:

      fold, fold, CO calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.18, 3 players) 5:club: J:spade: J:club:
      Hero bets $0.09, BB raises to $0.82, fold, Hero calls $0.73

      Turn: ($1.82, 2 players) 7:club:

      River: ($1.82, 2 players) 4:diamond:

      Hero mucks J:heart: T:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (PreFlop 43%, Flop 75%, Turn 23%)
      BB shows 6:club: A:club: (Flush, Ace High) (PreFlop 57%, Flop 25%, Turn 77%)
      BB wins $1.70


      4.
      iPoker - $0.01/$0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $2.88
      CO: $1.18
      BTN: $4.16
      SB: $5.00
      Hero (BB): $2.01

      SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K:club: K:heart:

      UTG raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG raises to $0.44, Hero raises to $2.01, UTG calls $1.57

      Flop: ($4.03, 2 players) T:diamond: Q:spade: 4:spade:

      Turn: ($4.03, 2 players) 9:heart:

      River: ($4.03, 2 players) A:spade:

      UTG shows A:heart: K:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 30%, Flop 28%, Turn 16%)
      Hero mucks K:club: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 70%, Flop 72%, Turn 84%)
      UTG wins $3.77
    • fusionpk
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      certainly dont worry about being exploitable and playing fit or fold isn't so bad at 2nl, but most definitely u want to be more aggro pre, yeah for sure limping behind here isnt so bad but soooo much money in iso'ing limpers.

      1) whoever u iso, may fold pre (some really weak plrs at this limit).
      2) whoever u iso u will have position on (unless ur in the blinds but ur hand strength will counter-act ur positional disadvantage).
      3) ur range vs the limpers range will probably be much stronger.
      4) u take initiative.

      I very rarely limp behind, sometimes like Ax suited and crap like that is ok, sometimes the smaller pps and shit, thats all ok to limp behind because u can play v well post flop and they are hands with great implied odds.

      But apart from that u don't want to be limping too much. You also don't want to be cold calling so much.

      Hope it helps a bit!
    • alenstrat
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      Originally posted by axcdd
      AK - it's a very good hand ofc good for open reis but what should i do when i face a rerejs from 3bb to 10-12bb from M, CO ,Button ? I mean i think its just hard to call and hit A or K on flop. Should i rereis and fold if he moves all in ?
      On NL2 I'd favor calling/isolating with AK if you're in position, since so often you'll be dominating the hands the fish have on an Axx or Kxx flop. 3 betting you'll be filtering out most of the profitable range and isolating yourselve against a stronger range. Of course if you're facing some really loose fish and he 3 bets you, you can consider going all in.
    • alenstrat
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      What about this situaction: should I call? Or even should I rereis preflop
      iPoker - GBP0.01/GBP0.02 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: G3.45
      SB: G2.66
      Hero (BB): G2.30
      UTG: G3.45
      MP: G2.57
      CO: G2.08

      SB posts SB G0.01, Hero posts BB G0.02

      Pre Flop: (G0.03) Hero has Q:spade: A:spade:

      fold, MP raises to G0.08, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls G0.06

      Flop: (G0.17, 2 players) 6:club: K:spade: 9:spade:
      Hero bets G0.08, MP raises to G0.41, fold

      MP wins G0.31
      I like the fold, you could not call here. Your only clean outs were the flush draw outs, since villain probably had an Ax or Kx hand, maybe AK. If you had more outs (clean overcard outs, or straight draw outs) you could consider shoving, but in this case your draw isn't strong enough.
    • alenstrat
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      Originally posted by axcdd
      today so far enormous badbeats

      I'm down -11$ lost 3 big all in's pf: AA vs AK (3.68$) JJ vs KT (3$) and KK vs AA (3.63$)

      rest is just tilt so I make a break today.

      I just got +5$ bonus so overall uptill now im +10.5 $
      You should consider leaving the table after a certain profit, like at $2.50 or $3. Seems like you are losing a lot of deep pots.

      Also don't get so worked up about badbeats, if you're thinking too much about bad beats your mindset won't be good.
    • alenstrat
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      Originally posted by axcdd
      Todays session (700 hands only) was just crazy I had big swings, made some hero calls -> made some donky calls. Anyway it ended good cause im +3$ up. I wanted to place graph and some interesting hands which i lost and ask for advice but apparently wh soft on vista runned in guest mode can't save hand history ;/ (Or if anyone knows where he does it pm me )
      You have to go to the "options" menu at the top and select "system settings" and there select "store hand history locally"
    • alenstrat
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      Originally posted by axcdd My goal is to get my VPIP to 25% and PF to about 18-20%.
      .
      That is too loose for NL2. You'd have to be a great postflop player to make a consistent profit playing so loose.

      20/15 would be good, and in NL2 as tight as 15/10 isn't bad either, no need to get into so many weird spots. The 21/14 from that session is good.
    • alenstrat
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      As you can see I'll be following your blog, since I'm also playing micros on William Hill. I think we're the only two blogs that play on William Hill. If you have skype we can sweat some time.