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[NL2-NL10] NL25, 2 draw hands.

    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.10.2006 Posts: 1,519
      1)
      Raise IP, and flop strong draw. Initially, I was going to raise the flop, maybe $7, but then decided to call. I don't know if this is right. I have 9 flush outs, 3 gutshot outs and six overcard outs. Even if I discount by 4, that is still huge. Maybe with this strength, even a minraise could be effective. Just joking.
      Having made the straight on the turn, with a FD still there, I should reraise UTG $24. I got distracted, and missed that SB was still coming behind me, so just raised enough to force UTG allin. Then SB pushes, and of course, I still have the nuts, and I don't think he has the odds whatever his draw is.

      I think this play is too passive. What thoughts?


      Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BB: $45.65
      UTG: $12.65
      UTG+1: $9.40
      MP1: $27.10
      MP2: $13.15
      CO: $27.20
      Hero (BTN): $55.15
      SB: $36.85 35.7/17.6/2/34

      Pre-Flop: Q:diamond: K:diamond: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      UTG calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, UTG calls $1

      Flop: ($4) 9:diamond: T:club: 3:diamond: (3 Players)
      SB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, SB calls $2

      Turn: ($10) J:heart: (3 Players)
      SB checks, UTG bets $7, Hero raises to $14, SB raises to $33.60 and is All-In, UTG calls $2.40 and is All-In, Hero calls $19.60

      River: ($86.60) T:diamond: (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

      2)
      Against the minraise and call, I am happy to pay 1BB to play for a draw. I get the draw. This one is better, nut flush, 2 clean outs for trips, and maybe some outs for the 2 pair. Being OOP, I think that here I should c/r the flop, which would mean a $7 raise. I can take the pot down right off, directly shove the turn if called, and easily push if raised.
      As played, I get the odds to call the turn bets, but again this is just so passive. Now I should c/r, or have I missed that chance?
      I don't want anyone checking behind the river, so make a small bet, which gets raised. Can't fold, can I, even against this passive guy?


      Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BTN: $26.35 10.85/5.66/1.1/212
      SB: $24.75
      Hero (BB): $29.55
      UTG: $33.90
      UTG+1: $2.90
      MP1: $24.25
      MP2: $22.50
      CO: $24.85

      Pre-Flop: 6:diamond: A:diamond: dealt to Hero (BB)
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.60) K:diamond: 9:diamond: 6:club: (3 Players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.60, BTN calls $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

      Turn: ($6.40) 9:heart: (3 Players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      River: ($13.90) 8:diamond: (3 Players)
      Hero bets $5.50, MP2 folds, BTN raises to $14, Hero raises to $22.50, BTN calls $7.75 and is All-In
  • 3 replies
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      1)
      Like you said, it's a good idea to raise the flop here. You have 12-18 outs, so a push would be +EV.
      On the turn, pay attention to how many players are in the hand :D seriously, I guess a set might be possible, so you should raise (~20$?), although in _some_ spots I may just call, since all that can draw out on us is a higher FD (unlikely) or a set (probably 333, maybe 999).
      But you saw your mistakes yourself, so this is useless :D

      2)
      I think I'd go for bet/push here since everyone is deep-stacked (say you bet 1.50, are raised to 5, you have good FE in addition to your odds, if you push). Not sure about the turn, as played, but I think it's either bet/call or check/call. On the river you should probably bet more, like 8$ or so

      Please correct me if I'm wrong
      Hope it helps
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
      Black
      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      1. Strong draw: Raise it up! You will win the pot so often even if you don't hit...

      2. I c/r the flop - you have a pair and the nut-fd and an overcard. Even if your overcard is not clean (dominated by AK) you have 11 Outs + fold equity so raising is definitely profitable.

      In general, I'd suggest to play strong draws very aggressively. I once wrote an article for the german forum where the advantages are discusses - I'm not sure if it was translated to English.
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.10.2006 Posts: 1,519
      Thanks guys. I think this has been a major leak, playing draws passively. Better to win 10BB on the flop than lose 50BB on the river.