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[NL2-NL10] 3bet with JJ

    • JHTAN
      Joined: 10.07.2010 Posts: 1,343
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($4.15)
      BB ($9.08)
      UTG ($8.05)
      UTG+1 ($10.57)
      UTG+2 ($1.68)
      MP1 ($33.99)
      MP2 ($10)
      CO ($4.25)
      Hero ($3.87)

      Dealt to Hero J:diamond: J:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.40, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $33.99 (AI), Hero ?

      Villain stats,

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      The MSS say 3bet/fold with JJ against MP.
      I believe if Villain open raises to 3bb then 3bet/fold is good but if villian open raises to 4bb then if 3bet then 3bet/call is good.
      I mean with smaller ratio of "stack size : size of the raise" , we always pot committed and we have to 3bet/call.
      So, I usually will 3bet shove if the 3bet size is more than 1/3 of my stack size because of that reason.
      Do you think my idea is good?

             Equity     Win     Tie
      CO     36.19%  35.98%   0.21% { JJ }
      BU     63.81%  63.60%   0.21% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

  • 2 replies
    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey JHTAN,

      You made the calculations correct and already answered your question. You should go broke here, but the thing is this is quite a close call and because one doesn't have time to calculate precise odds while playing it's the safer option to just fold as a general rule that's also why the articles say so.

      If you learn what odds you get by different betsizes and know you can go all-in then by all means do so. Articles are just a guideline and you as an advanced player have to fine tune them.

      Best regards,
    • BadeaCelRau
      Joined: 15.10.2010 Posts: 2,122
      Another reason you can particulary call in this situation is because villain raised first 20 hands but folded to 3bet only 4 times, which leaves a huge 80% of his 20% opening raise, that's 16% range, to play against your JJ.