[NL2-NL10] NL5 flop ?

    • acceleration123
      acceleration123
      Gold
      Joined: 11.12.2010 Posts: 5,311
      Rush poker, villain unknown.
      On the flop I went broke because I think he can do this with draw/worse king, ten .. and I can´t call because of the draws and I also don´t want to fold this hand. Should I´ve played it differently ?

      Known players:       
      Hero:
      $5,33
      MP3:
      $4,58

      0,02/0,05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.99 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:diamond: , Q:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0,20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0,20, 4 folds.

      Flop: ($0,47) K:club: , T:spade: , 4:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,4, MP3 raises to $0,80, Hero raises to $5,13 (All-In), MP3 calls $3,58 (All-In), Hero gets uncalled bet back (All-In).

      Turn: ($9,23) 2:diamond:
      River: ($9,23) 4:heart: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $9,23

      This hand made just made me tilty so i had to quit my session. I think folding is too weak here.

      My equity against assumed range with which he is going broke with:

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      27,720 games 0.005 secs 5,544,000 games/sec

      Board: Kc Ts 4c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 32.776% 32.03% 00.74% 8880 205.50 { KdQd }
      Hand 1: 67.224% 66.48% 00.74% 18429 205.50 { TT, 44, AKs, KJs-KTs, AKo, KJo-KTo }


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      But I think I have fold equity because his range he is doing such a move here could be smth like:

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      61,380 games 0.005 secs 12,276,000 games/sec

      Board: Kc Ts 4c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 58.735% 58.18% 00.56% 35708 343.50 { KdQd }
      Hand 1: 41.265% 40.71% 00.56% 24985 343.50 { JJ-TT, AKs, ATs, KJs-KTs, QJs, J9s+, AKo, ATo, KJo-KTo, QJo }


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      Can´t call imo, so many draws out there in his range - also the minraise could indicate a draw.

      So that´s why I don´t want to fold here, because I could still be holding the best hand. By pushing I aim to make him fold that part of his range that is bluffing me while still leaving myself with ~ 30% equity against his value calling range.

      Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.

      Pretty hard to play such a hand with no reads :s_mad:
  • 3 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      with AK I think it is easy shove and with KJ I think it should be mostly fold.
      Min-raise very often is just tp hand, but if player is tight then you can´t beat too many worse tp hands, maybe expect KJ
      And he might also min-raise there his combo draws.
      I´d likely not shove, since I think our hand is not strong enough, but b/c and then fold to big bet on the turn or if he bets small then likely call him down
    • acceleration123
      acceleration123
      Gold
      Joined: 11.12.2010 Posts: 5,311
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      with AK I think it is easy shove and with KJ I think it should be mostly fold.
      Min-raise very often is just tp hand, but if player is tight then you can´t beat too many worse tp hands, maybe expect KJ
      And he might also min-raise there his combo draws.
      I´d likely not shove, since I think our hand is not strong enough, but b/c and then fold to big bet on the turn or if he bets small then likely call him down
      Thanks. I didn´t feel like calling because of the draws ... But am I not isolating myself against better range with shove ? Some players I´ve discussed this hand with said so.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      But am I not isolating myself against better range with shove ?
      - If player is min-raising with KJ I think he would also call shove that hand, so you´re not always isolating against better hands+ he can always bet/call with his draws