coaching NL bss 3bet pots postflopplay

    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      hello ladies and gents
      today wer want to discuss about 3bet pots and how we play them postflop
      many playersask themselves "should i cbet here? should i float? what todo, the pot is getting big!"
      so we will try toanswer everything that has todo with postflopplay in 3bet pots.

      like allways, feel free to post your own hands into this thread.

      greeting, grummeler

      #1
      villian (3bet)
      vpip 32/ pfr 26 / 3bet 22.6% / af 2.5 / cbet 56% / hands 97

      villian coldcall is an unknown fish playing 52/11 over 27 hands

      Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      UTG ($50)
      Hero (MP) ($114.55)
      Button ($71.70)
      SB ($70.55)
      BB ($46.30)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 5:club: , 4:club:
      1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises $5.50, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

      Flop: ($17.25) 3:diamond: , 8:heart: , 6:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $17.25, BB calls $17.25, Hero calls $17.25

      Turn: ($69) 2:diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $47.55 (All-In), BB calls $23.30 (All-In), Hero calls $47.55

      River: ($187.40) 6:spade: (3 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $187.40
  • 10 replies
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #2

      villian:
      vpip 22/ pfr 20/ ats 49% / af 2.0 / fold to cbet 20% / hands 150

      Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      UTG ($50)
      Hero (MP) ($114.55)
      Button ($71.70)
      SB ($70.55)
      BB ($46.30)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 5:club: , 4:club:
      1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises $5.50, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

      Flop: ($17.25) 3:diamond: , 8:heart: , 6:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $17.25, BB calls $17.25, Hero calls $17.25

      Turn: ($69) 2:diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $47.55 (All-In), BB calls $23.30 (All-In), Hero calls $47.55

      River: ($187.40) 6:spade: (3 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $187.40
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #3

      villian 3bet:

      vpip 28 / pfr 17 / 3bet 10% / af2.1 / 69% cbet / hands 164

      villian cc:
      vpip 46/ pfr 28/ 5.8% 3bet/ af1.8 / fold to cbet 44% / hands 336

      Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB ($51.10)
      BB ($255.05)
      UTG ($67.20)
      Hero (MP) ($87.55)
      Button ($55.95)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 10:spade: , A:spade:
      1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises $4.25, BB calls $4, Hero calls $2.75

      Flop: ($13.50) Q:club: , K:diamond: , 4:spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $8, BB calls $8, Hero calls $8

      Turn: ($37.50) Q:spade: (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($37.50) 8:spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $14, BB raises $46.75, Hero calls $46.75, 1 fold

      Total pot: $145
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #4

      villian 3bet

      44 hands but 18% 3bet so far looking agressiv

      villian cc:

      73% vpip fish over 124 hands

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB ($65.75)
      BB ($42.45)
      UTG ($53.40)
      MP ($58.40)
      Hero (CO) ($63.65)
      Button ($103.75)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J:club: , 9:club:
      2 folds, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises $5.50, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

      Flop: ($17.25) 9:spade: , 2:diamond: , 10:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $8.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $8.25

      Turn: ($33.75) 8:heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $16.25, Hero calls $16.25

      River: ($66.25) 9:heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $35.50 (All-In), Hero calls $33.40 (All-In)

      Total pot: $133.05
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #5

      villian
      vpip 42% / pfr 24 / 3bet 0% / af 4.3 / hands 39
      really unknown with the tendency of beeing agressiv

      other villian was really tagish with 16/13 and af 5.3

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      UTG ($10)
      Button ($10)
      Hero (SB) ($11.96)
      BB ($18.07)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J:diamond: , J:club:
      1 fold, Button bets $0.30, Hero raises $1.05, BB calls $1, Button calls $0.80

      Flop: ($3.30) 7:heart: , 2:spade: , 6:spade: (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, BB calls $2.20, 1 fold

      Turn: ($7.70) 7:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero raises $8.66 (All-In), BB calls $4.66

      River: ($25.02) 4:heart: (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $25.02
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #6

      villian:
      vpip 29/ pfr 20/ 7.7 3bet / af 1.9 / fold to cbet 0% / hands 137

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Button ($31.81)
      Hero (SB) ($42.41)
      BB ($20.46)
      UTG ($26.61)
      MP ($25.35)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:heart: , K:club:
      1 fold, MP bets $0.85, Button calls $0.85, Hero raises $3.15, 2 folds, Button calls $2.40

      Flop: ($7.60) Q:heart: , 4:spade: , 4:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $5, Button calls $5

      Turn: ($17.60) 5:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.76, Button raises $23.56 (All-In), Hero calls $17.80

      River: ($64.72) 7:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $64.72
    • Letsdothisish
      Letsdothisish
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      Joined: 01.02.2009 Posts: 995
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG1:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $10.13
      MP1:
      $6.85
      MP2:
      $3.50
      MP3:
      $10.24
      CO:
      $11.17
      BU:
      $10.15
      SB (Hero):
      $10.20
      BB:
      $13.24


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A.
      4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.40, CO folds, BU calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.70, 2 folds, BU calls $1.30.

      Flop: ($3.9) 7, 5, K (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.80, BU calls $1.80.

      Turn: ($7.5) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      River: ($7.5) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.00, BU raises to $6.65, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $10.5.

      MP3 11/9/3.1af/1.5khands fold to 3bet 90%

      BU 18/7/4.3af/500hands
    • Hate4Fun
      Hate4Fun
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.03.2011 Posts: 1,005
      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $1.53
      BU:
      $1.30
      SB:
      $1.48
      BB:
      $4.70
      UTG2:
      $2.19
      MP1:
      $1.41
      MP2 (Hero):
      $2.74
      MP3:
      $0.82


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
      UTG2 raises to $0.07, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.07, 4 folds, BB calls $0.05.

      Flop: ($0.22) 9, J, T (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG2 bets $0.22, Hero raises to $0.70, BB raises to $4.63, UTG2 folds, Hero calls $1.97.

      Turn: ($7.74) 7 (2 players)


      River: ($7.74) A (2 players)


      Final Pot: $7.74.
    • denilsonnick
      denilsonnick
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.07.2010 Posts: 496
      UTG: 20/16 over 583 hands. Open Raise from UTG: 23%; Fold to 3bet: 44%;
      CO: 25/19 over 1019 hands. 3bet from CO vs UTG: 5%; Call Open from CO: 13%; Fold vs 3bet: 56%.
      BB: 27/9 over 22 hands.

      UTG/CO 2 regs. They can call with worse hands so my squeeze is for value against them. BB was unknown but seems that he is a fish.
      My CBet could be a little bit smaller, like 9$ because is such a huge pot so I can shove the turn with a smaller CBet.
      CO is an aggresive player but I don't expect him to bluff very often in this situation.


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($99.79)
      BB ($47.75)
      UTG ($118)
      CO ($50)
      Hero ($52)

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: Q:club:

      UTG raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7, fold, BB calls $6.50, UTG calls $5.25, CO calls $5.25

      FLOP ($28.25) 4:diamond: 2:spade: A:club:

      BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $14.12, BB calls $14.12, UTG folds, CO raises to $43 (AI), Hero ???
    • jozata
      jozata
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.07.2008 Posts: 646
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $34.96
      CO:
      $30.00
      BU:
      $38.98
      SB (Hero):
      $25.00
      BB:
      $25.25
      MP2:
      $35.73


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
      MP2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.75.

      Flop: ($5.25) Q, J, 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.50, MP2 raises to $8.75, Hero raises to $22.50, MP2 calls $13.75.

      Turn: ($50.25) 9 (2 players)


      River: ($50.25) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $50.25.

      Villain-unknown.
    • gomez1989
      gomez1989
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      Joined: 12.08.2009 Posts: 4
      Originally posted by grummeler
      #5

      villian
      vpip 42% / pfr 24 / 3bet 0% / af 4.3 / hands 39
      really unknown with the tendency of beeing agressiv

      other villian was really tagish with 16/13 and af 5.3

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      UTG ($10)
      Button ($10)
      Hero (SB) ($11.96)
      BB ($18.07)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J:diamond: , J:club:
      1 fold, Button bets $0.30, Hero raises $1.05, BB calls $1, Button calls $0.80

      Flop: ($3.30) 7:heart: , 2:spade: , 6:spade: (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, BB calls $2.20, 1 fold

      Turn: ($7.70) 7:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero raises $8.66 (All-In), BB calls $4.66

      River: ($25.02) 4:heart: (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $25.02

      what the conception in c/r ?? in similar situations i usually shove on the turn. Overpairs will call i think and FD-s can checkback and we lose value fro dras? what do you think? Whats the BB-s 3bet overcalling range? and the original pfr-"s?