Oh my Aces!!! =(

    • YinYangS
      YinYangS
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      What's the best scenario for Aces? It's when you get it all-in preflop against someone.

      And what's the most frustrating way to bust in a tournament? When you go all-in with Aces preflop and STILL LOSE. :f_confused:

      On a Downswing???????? :f_confused:



      This is my first $11 DeepStack tournament of the year. And this is his greeting. :f_confused:

      Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1271707
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      SB: t7335 73.35 BBs
      Hero (BB): t9740 97.40 BBs
      UTG: t20922 209.22 BBs
      UTG+1: t3803 38.03 BBs
      UTG+2: t7322 73.22 BBs
      MP1: t14419 144.19 BBs
      MP2: t13452 134.52 BBs
      CO: t8850 88.50 BBs
      BTN: t12943 129.43 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with A :diamond: A :spade:
      3 folds, MP1 raises to t400, 4 folds, Hero raises to t9740 all in, MP1 calls t9340

      Flop: (t19530) J :club: T :spade: 9 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Turn: (t19530) 9 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: (t19530) Q :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: t19530
      Hero shows A :diamond: A :spade: (two pair, Aces and Nines)
      MP1 shows K :club: A :club: (a straight, Ten to Ace)
      MP1 wins t19530


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      This was my next $11 DeepStack tournament, after playing the one above. And he greeted me the same way. :f_confused:


      Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250/t2500 Blinds + t250 - 8 players - View hand 1282814
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      MP2: t192221 M = 33.43
      CO: t108870 M = 18.93
      BTN: t152622 M = 26.54
      Hero (SB): t136515 M = 23.74
      BB: t113593 M = 19.76
      UTG: t174180 M = 30.29
      UTG+1: t70205 M = 12.21
      MP1: t244974 M = 42.60

      Pre Flop: (t5750) Hero is SB with A :heart: A :spade:
      UTG raises to t7298, 5 folds, Hero raises to t136265 all in, 1 fold, UTG calls t128967
      [COLOR=blue][B]
      UTG shows K :diamond: K :spade:

      Flop: (t277030) 2 :heart: 5 :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Turn: (t277030) Q :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: (t277030) K :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Then one of the players said he has a King. Which means this guy just fucking hit a 1-outer. :f_confused:


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      This is a $27 SCOOP KnockOut tournament. My biggest tournament buy-in so far and this is what he rewarded me. :f_confused:

      Poker Stars $20+$5+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 1305311
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BB: t12357 M = 11.77
      UTG: t8824 M = 8.40
      UTG+1: t34754 M = 33.10
      UTG+2: t6658 M = 6.34
      Hero (MP1): t10625 M = 10.12
      MP2: t26915 M = 25.63
      CO: t23730 M = 22.60
      BTN: t13818 M = 13.16
      SB: t21162 M = 20.15

      Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is MP1 with A :spade: A :club:
      2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t855, Hero raises to t10575 all in, 4 folds, BB raises to t12307 all in, UTG+2 calls t5753 all in

      Flop: (t28408) J :heart: 7 :heart: 4 :heart: (3 players - 3 are all in)

      Turn: (t28408) 9 :heart: (3 players - 3 are all in)

      River: (t28408) T :heart: (3 players - 3 are all in)

      Final Pot: t28408
      BB shows K :club: A :heart: (a flush, Ace high)
      UTG+2 shows J :diamond: J :spade: (a flush, Jack high)
      Hero shows A :spade: A :club: (a flush, Jack high)
      BB wins t7934
      BB wins t20474


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      So why do I go all-in with Aces even though stacks are still big? Because I know they'll call. And what do I get? busto busto :f_cry:

      No profits yet for this May. Sigh......... :f_frown:
  • 24 replies
    • JazBenz
      JazBenz
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      ha i hear ya.. just yesterday, got busted by chip leader 32/624 people left, got 30k chips, blinds 1k/2k - AA, perfect... trap chip leader by flat calling in early, shove all in, he has TT and hits T on river... of course he did by the way, whole tournament he hit 2 outters, not kidding, he just couldnt lose, best or worst hand, he won, everytime.
    • kirbupask
      kirbupask
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      Unreal :f_eek:
    • intercect
      intercect
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      How the f do you play aces?
    • masa9
      masa9
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      Originally posted by YinYangS
      So why do I go all-in with Aces even though stacks are still big? Because I know they'll call. :
      just lol
    • YinYangS
      YinYangS
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      Originally posted by intercect
      How the f do you play aces?
      Depends on the situation. When I know they'll call, i go all-in right away, and I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. After all, the goal of Aces is to attract as much value - as much as possible pre-flop.

      And if I feel they won't call, I just 3 bet raise.
    • YinYangS
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      Originally posted by masa9
      Originally posted by YinYangS
      So why do I go all-in with Aces even though stacks are still big? Because I know they'll call. :
      just lol
      Well, I achieve the goal of Aces right? to get it all-in against someone preflop. hahaha ^_^

      well, the ultimate goal is to win chips, but you know poker, luck doesn't always go the way you want them to be.
    • GraveGoods
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      Aces aren't 100% to win. They get beat. Simples.

      What's the best scenario with Aces? To have them in your hand!
    • Elroch
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      In just under 800 hands of 4NL yesterday I got AA and KK 7 times each, about twice what I might expect. Lucky huh? Here's the bottom line:

      The damage was done to the aces by someone calling with J7o in the big blind and flopping 2 pair, and someone else calling with QTo and raising the flop big with a gutshot. The kings would have also been in the red apart from the very last hand on the very last table.
    • phantommm92
      phantommm92
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      lol, i think you deserve to loose for playing them that way
    • Kapica
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      ..m8 thats just not the way to play...
      Every time u pushed all in ridiculously over-betting pot.. That is just stupid... Just because u have AA doesnt mean u will instant win the pot???
      That what u do i just gamble, not poker..

      Every time u lost, had u played a standard, 3,4bet re raised etc.. u can push opponent out on flop?

      AA is so great to get, but not a win, u have to play them to win, sometimes even fold depends on cards on table..
    • Elroch
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      My habit is to simply make normal raises and reraises with AA, but there is nothing wrong with betting huge preflop with AA if your opponents are likely to call. Suggesting this is "gambling" and that you should keep the pot small because you only have a pair is either a joke or really bad advice. Given that the OP got a call, I can't see how his play can be faulted.
    • gsergiul
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      UTG+1 (t5135)
      MP1 (t5070)
      Hero (MP2) (t7050)
      MP3 (t2570)
      CO (t1350)
      Button (t14350)
      SB (t9095)
      BB (t3640)
      UTG (t5350)

      Hero's M: 39.17

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A
      2 folds, MP1 calls t120, Hero bets t500, 2 folds, Button calls t500, 2 folds, MP1 calls t380

      Flop: (t1680) 8, K, 7 (3 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets t780, Button calls t780, 1 fold

      Turn: (t3240) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, Button bets t1080, Hero raises to t5770 (All-In), Button calls t4690

      River: (t14780) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: t14780

      Results:
      Button had K, 4 (two pair, Kings and fours).
      Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
      Outcome: Button won t14780




      Button (t11156)
      SB (t7255)
      BB (t16983)
      UTG (t4810)
      UTG+1 (t8255)
      MP1 (t32613)
      MP2 (t5880)
      Hero (MP3) (t9096)
      CO (t4892)

      Hero's M: 13.48

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, A
      4 folds, Hero bets t699, 2 folds, SB calls t549, 1 fold

      Flop: (t1923) 7, J, 9 (2 players)
      SB bets t1200, Hero raises to t8372 (All-In), SB calls t5331 (All-In)

      Turn: (t14985) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: (t14985) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t14985

      Results:
      SB had Q, J (straight, King high).
      Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
      Outcome: SB won t14985
    • Alficor1
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      Originally posted by Kapica
      ..m8 thats just not the way to play...
      Every time u pushed all in ridiculously over-betting pot.. That is just stupid... Just because u have AA doesnt mean u will instant win the pot???
      That what u do i just gamble, not poker..

      Every time u lost, had u played a standard, 3,4bet re raised etc.. u can push opponent out on flop?

      AA is so great to get, but not a win, u have to play them to win, sometimes even fold depends on cards on table..
      Are you serious? How is he gambling? He got it in as a huge favourite everytime. Thats gambling for you?

      And saying "u can push your opponent out on flop" is seriously by far the most ridiculous thing i've read in last ten years. You want the guy to fold worse hands?

      Just lol at what you're saying.

      Btw i have nothing against the way op played the hands... if he was sure villain is gonna call a shove why shouldnt he shove?
    • phantommm92
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      bcuz i am pretty sure he just 3bet pushes it in most spots where he has 25-50bb, obv in some spots, you can just get it in, against some villains, but imo in the long run, your loosing value.

      obv the comment about gambling is ridiculous :D
    • YinYangS
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      you see guys, here's my logic:
      • when someone 3-bets raise, it "usually" looks like that the opponent wants to get more value from a strong hand he is likely representing or holding.
      • on the other hand, when someone who has more than 50BB 3bet shoves on a 3BB raise, what does it look like to you? for me, it looks like the guy has a medium hand in which he doesn't want to play postflop and would rather win the 3BB preflop
      • so why did a make a 3-bet shove on my aces here? first, the opponents' raises represented a strong hand. second, i overbet shoved to represent a medium hand and was actually inviting him to call.
      • then again, who wouldn't want to have Aces all-in preflop with more than 50BB on stake right?? :f_biggrin:


      i posted this hand just to vent it out, and i think i posted this thread way long ago already.

      i don't play like this always. only when i know, definitely know, he would still call after my 3-bet shove with Aces, well, why not right? :)
    • Edukator99
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      Hmmm...how do you delete a post? Lol
    • Edukator99
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      Originally posted by Kapica
      ..m8 thats just not the way to play...
      Every time u pushed all in ridiculously over-betting pot.. That is just stupid... Just because u have AA doesnt mean u will instant win the pot???
      That what u do i just gamble, not poker..

      Every time u lost, had u played a standard, 3,4bet re raised etc.. u can push opponent out on flop?

      AA is so great to get, but not a win, u have to play them to win, sometimes even fold depends on cards on table..

      I think you're dead wrong here. There's nothing wrong with shoving, you're like and 80% favourite. You WANT people to call. I wouldn't shove cause I'd assume most people would fold. Unfortunately our friend here has had some bad luck but if he does this 10 more times he'll win 8-9 pots all in I'm sure.
    • TiciBoy
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      Originally posted by Alficor1
      Originally posted by Kapica
      ..m8 thats just not the way to play...
      Every time u pushed all in ridiculously over-betting pot.. That is just stupid... Just because u have AA doesnt mean u will instant win the pot???
      That what u do i just gamble, not poker..

      Every time u lost, had u played a standard, 3,4bet re raised etc.. u can push opponent out on flop?

      AA is so great to get, but not a win, u have to play them to win, sometimes even fold depends on cards on table..
      Are you serious? How is he gambling? He got it in as a huge favourite everytime. Thats gambling for you?

      And saying "u can push your opponent out on flop" is seriously by far the most ridiculous thing i've read in last ten years. You want the guy to fold worse hands?

      Just lol at what you're saying.

      Btw i have nothing against the way op played the hands... if he was sure villain is gonna call a shove why shouldnt he shove?
      ^^ what he said :f_p:
    • YinYangS
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      i'm glad people are starting to agree and sympathize with me here. LOL :f_biggrin:

      luckily, my Aces have been holding up recently. unluckily, it's my Kings turn. LOL :D
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