Spotting setmines

    • samlar
      Joined: 18.09.2010 Posts: 147
      Hey I have been set mined quite a bit of late and I am asking for any tips and tricks out there that can help me spot them better. I have a HUD so maybe give away stats combined with give away lines?

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    • fusionpk
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,691
      think about preflop, if the pot is going multiway most people that are tagging along are going to be coming in with SCs & PPs, u shud also remember to stack off with a tighter range in multiway pots!

    • pleno1
      Joined: 19.11.2010 Posts: 5,596
      All the time you should try to put your opponent on a range and gradually decrease it as you get closer to showdown.

      For example, a passive guy with low aggression factor min raises and you 3bet the button to 6.5bbs w/99.

      We will now put his range on. 22/33/44/55/66/77/88/99/1010/JJ/QQ/AJ/AQ/AK/10Js/Q10s/KJs/KQs.

      According to pokerstove our equity against this range is.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 83.022% 82.34% 00.68% 1040482560 8649198.00 { AA }
      Hand 1: 16.978% 16.29% 00.68% 205899396 8649198.00 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+ }

      83% equity and position, very very nice :D :D

      Flop comes down 752

      The passive guy checks and you cbet 7.5bbs, he makes it 20bbs.

      What do we know? We know he is very passive and is unlikely to raise a hand like 88 or 99 here.

      Here's how we look against his new decreased range.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 10.505% 10.51% 00.00% 5616 0.00 { AA }
      Hand 1: 89.495% 89.49% 00.00% 47844 0.00 { 77, 55, 22 }

      Doesn't look so good right? :(

      If we play against a different opponent that plays similarily pre flop, but is a little more aggresive with big pairs such as QQ/JJ post flop then we are actually a favourite.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 56.854% 56.85% 00.00% 70920 0.00 { AA }
      Hand 1: 43.146% 43.15% 00.00% 53820 0.00 { QQ-JJ, 77, 55, 22 }

      Now lets do the same scenario but against a guy that we know check raises for information and is often aggresive on flops. We are given him the same range pre flop and now lets see how we fare against his flop c/r range.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 79.238% 79.14% 00.10% 314970 379.50 { AA }
      Hand 1: 20.762% 20.67% 00.10% 82251 379.50 { QQ-99, 77-55, 22, AKs, KQs, QJs, AKo, 98o }

      80% nice! However if we raise him again he will fold out everything that we are beating, even 1010 as it will be obvious to him we have a huge hand, he will then only continue with 77/55/22 and as we saw in example 2) we would be a huge dog.

      It's all about knowing your opponent, knowing his tendancies and then learning how certain hands do against certain ranges, its all about experience and if you do some maths like this after sessions (both losing AND winning) then it will speed up your learning and move you up and up the limits.
    • fusionpk
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,691
      haha pads, 99 is the new AA? ^^

      @OP, what pleno says about defining ranges is definitely one of the biggest, most crucial things to learn in poker, sets are never obvious because of the nature of them, (not like flush/straight where the board runs out and they are noticeable). So start preflop by assigning ranges, and then define them by postflop actions :) .