[NL20-NL50] Nl50 RUSH 4bet pot oop

    • IDidIt4TheLuLz
      IDidIt4TheLuLz
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      BU is a reg 16/13 with 7% (8% on BU) 3bet over 515hands. We have been 3betting each other a lot in this session.

      1) Pre flop I plan to 4bet/call even though we are ~130bb deep. I think I made the 4bet a bit too small though.
      Once he calls I think he might be slowplaying QQ, KK, AA or have some smaller pairs like 88, 99, TT, JJ
      2) On the flop we have 52$ behind. While playing I thought that he might fold 88, 99, TT on the turn and thats why decided to bet flop, shove turn (also the turn card is good for our equity) but I'm not sure anymore.

      Questions:
      1) What hand range would you put him on after calling the 4bet pre?
      2) What's your plan for the hand on the flop?
      3) Is my flop&turn bet-sizing OK if I decide to bet flop, bet turn?


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $50.60
      UTG1:
      $20.00
      UTG2:
      $51.50
      MP1:
      $45.60
      MP2:
      $83.65
      MP3:
      $65.40
      CO (Hero):
      $89.00
      BU:
      $65.90
      SB:
      $133.55


      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
      5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BU raises to $6.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14.00, BU calls $7.50.

      Flop: ($28.75) 4, 7, 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $12.00, BU calls $12.00.

      Turn: ($52.75) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $63.00, BU calls $39.90.

      River: ($155.65) Q (2 players)


      Final Pot: $155.65.
  • 6 replies
    • ttjjboy
      ttjjboy
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      I don't think call 4bet is a good way to play even got a little deep.
      I can't image with what kind of cards he could do that,I'd note it while the opponent made this strange move

      I prefer 4bet fold as this is a FR game and we're a little deep here,I'd 4bet /call in a sh game.

      I‘d cbet 16$ on flop and as played I also shove turn

      as played nice hand

      board: 4s7d4c8s
      win draw
      MP2 31.17% 31.17% 0.00% { AsKs }
      MP3 68.83% 68.83% 0.00% { KK-TT }

      39.9$ to win $130+
      we just need about 30%
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Check/raise AI on the flop. Watch him call with AQ.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Like how you played it
      With nut fd you can´t really do anything else to shove turn and hope he is folding some kind of pp. if you think he might float you on the flop, then c/rai turn should also be fine option
    • IDidIt4TheLuLz
      IDidIt4TheLuLz
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      @ttjjboy
      Shouldn't you also include AA in his range?
      Board: 4s7d4c 8s
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 70,170% 70,170% 0,000% 29,830% TT+
      Player 2: 29,830% 29,830% 0,000% 70,170% AsKs

      ... that doesn't change the equity a lot though



      @Kaitz20
      Are we really deep enough to c/rai on turn? (52$ pot, 40$ behind)
    • ttjjboy
      ttjjboy
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      @IDidIt4TheLuLz
      I agree AA could be in his range,I always ignore it lOl
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by IDidIt4TheLuLz
      @ttjjboy
      Shouldn't you also include AA in his range?
      Board: 4s7d4c 8s
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 70,170% 70,170% 0,000% 29,830% TT+
      Player 2: 29,830% 29,830% 0,000% 70,170% AsKs

      ... that doesn't change the equity a lot though



      @Kaitz20
      Are we really deep enough to c/rai on turn? (52$ pot, 40$ behind)
      if we know he would not fold his pp-s if we shove turn, then reason is give him float on the flop and then c/rai for value with our AK high, since he would likely bet his AJ/AQ if he called these hands on the flop.
      and this would also give him check back his medium pp-s and then fold if scare card would come on the river