[NL2-NL10] AK - trash on a drawy flop with 2 opp

    • abundance211
      abundance211
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      Poker Room skin
      Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
      10 players
      Converter

      Stack sizes:
      UTG: $1.70
      UTG+1: $9.85
      UTG+2: $9.90
      MP1: $15.10
      MP2: $15
      MP3: $2
      CO: $1.55
      Button: $12.80
      SB: $14.65
      Hero: $2

      Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with K:diamond: A:spade:
      3 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $0.65[/color], MP1 calls, SB calls.

      Flop: 9:diamond: 8:club: 6:heart: ($1.95, 3 players)
      SB checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero is all-in $1.25[/color], MP1 calls, SB folds.

      Turn: 4:diamond: ($4.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $4.45)


      River: 3:heart: ($4.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $4.45)


      Results:
      Final pot: $4.45
  • 8 replies
    • xylere
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      I like this one. You have good pot odds against pocket pair or top pair + fold equity.

      EDIT: However, equilator says that I am wrong)

      We need 28% equity. We get exactly 28% against 22-44. Against 55 we have only 25%. Against top pair with A-K kicker we have 13% equity. (I don`t think they were calling with Q9, however, A9,8,6 or even some Kx hands are very much possible, given their positions.)

      It quite hard to figure out their hands, since their range is quite wide. This situation is definitely marginal, even considering our pot odds. So I guess I would check/fold it, unless I am last to act and they are quite passive.
    • drachdudek
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      Hmm, two players in the game, MP seems dangereous, i would C/F
    • abundance211
      abundance211
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      Originally posted by drachdudek
      Hmm, two players in the game, MP seems dangereous, i would C/F
      drachdudek,

      can you please explain why MP seems dangerous. For the time being, I am rarely able to put certain player on a certain hand.
    • xylere
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      I am also quite interested) i have my opinion, but I`ll leave it later.
    • drachdudek
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      Originally posted by abundance211
      Originally posted by drachdudek
      Hmm, two players in the game, MP seems dangereous, i would C/F
      drachdudek,

      can you please explain why MP seems dangerous. For the time being, I am rarely able to put certain player on a certain hand.
      the MP guy is a big stack, he was limping probably with any pocketpair...after you went all-in it was easy call to him if he hit tris, as he had SB behind, hoping SB will call or raise and that pot size will get bigger, but this is just my opinion and feeling:) without reads is just guessing nothing else..
    • xylere
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      well, ok. My thoughts:


      1) the obvious danger coming from MP is that he has position) -> we have no information

      2) guessing part. His range:

      Normally, I put unknown on a tight range that is:

      - 22-88, AQs-AJs, KQs, AQo-AJo, KQo 52% equity (I think way too tight)
      - 22-88, ATs, KJs+, ATo, KJo+ - 50% equity (loose)
      - 22-88, A9s-A5s, KJs, QJs, A9o-A5o, KJo, QJo 41% (very loose)

      Not bad at all. But ! our fold equity against SB is quite uncertain. I am sure players on the limit have no clue what is relative position, but SB technically has the best position postflop. Smart players (like me :P ) in this situation would check with a good hand (with a big stack, of course).

      Nevertheless, without having statistics and position, I still vote for fold.
    • abundance211
      abundance211
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      Thank you both guys.

      I am sure one day this "piece" will also fall into its place in this big jigsaw puzzle called no limit hold'em (jigsaw puzzles always intrigued me btw - my hobby is 3000 - 5000 pieces puzzles)
    • xylere
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      Originally posted by abundance211
      Thank you both guys.

      I am sure one day this "piece" will also fall into its place in this big jigsaw puzzle called no limit hold'em (jigsaw puzzles always intrigued me btw - my hobby is 3000 - 5000 pieces puzzles)
      It will) just need some time and practice) nice hobby by the way.