[NL2-NL10] 3bet

    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($50)
      BB ($55.95)
      UTG ($41.25)
      UTG+1 ($78.10)
      UTG+2 ($102)
      MP1 ($27.25)
      MP2 ($84.65)
      Hero ($20.25)
      BTN ($57)

      Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: A:club:

      fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, fold, MP1 raises to $2.25, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

      Hero shows Q:diamond: A:club:

      Hero wins $5.75

      UTG's stats,


      MP1's stats,


      Hello,

      MP1 isoraise UTG to 4.5bb. How much should I 3bet? If I 3bet 3x then it is 13.5bb and I commited.

      thanks.
  • 7 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      What makes you think you are committed when you 3bet to 13.5bb ?? What are the pot odds you get then when he shoves & what is his range & your equity?

      I think any 3bet above $6 is fine: you have to set a sizing this big that he is not likely to call a 3bet

      - Gerv
    • JHTAN
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             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     24.42%  23.05%   1.37% { AQo }
      SB     75.58%  74.21%   1.37% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


      I need about 34% equity to call 4bet shove.
      I mean I try to raise smaller if I can creacte the same FED.
      I think calling MSSer 3bet is bad, so I think regulars will 4bet or fold and they will not call 3bet. I am not sure if my thought is right. May be fishes will call 3bet.
      do you think a good regular will call MSSer 3bet?
      if yes, what is the range they will call 3bet with?
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      please answer the questions I have asked you first.
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Actually, I am wrong to say that I am committed and I am not committed but I want to lose less if someone behind me 4bet shove and I have to fold. The pot odds is 34%.
      I want to 3bet smaller because I think the FED is almost same.

      Equity Win Tie
      BU 24.42% 23.05% 1.37% { AQo }
      SB 75.58% 74.21% 1.37% { QQ+, AKs, AKo } 4bet range

      I hope I answered you questions. :)
      feel free to ask if you have any questions.
    • Gerv
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      Yes but you have to make sure you don't 3bet that small in order to prevent them from calling ;)

      Bset regards,
      Gerv
    • JHTAN
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      Helllo Gerv, :)

      I know that you do play BSS and I think you are good BSSer. ;)
      do you call MSSer 3bet? If yes, what is your range to call the 3bet with?
      I ask this because I want to know how the BSSer play.

      Besides that, if MP1 raise to 5bb. How much do you 3bet?
      I think 3bet to 15bb is bad because we invested 37.5% of our stack and I noticed that we are committed if we invest more than 1/3 of our stack preflop.


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    75.58%  74.21%   1.37% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
      CO     24.42%  23.05%   1.37% { AQo }



      we need 32% to call.
      yes, we can still fold if someone behind us shove but we lose alot of money preflop. So, do you think 3bet shove preflop is better because we can maximize our FED.


      thanks.
    • Gerv
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      I don't call MSS 3bets. Also I dont play Fullring only 6max where dynamcis are abit aggressive. That said if I see a MSS'er on my table 3betting aggro, I just shove for value

      If your stack is 40bb and you 3bet to 15bb you get 55:25 = 31%

      So you are still not committed against QQ+,AK nor against JJ+,AK

      - Gerv