coaching NL TPTK valuebtting or potcontrol ?

    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      hello ladies and gentleman.
      todays topic will behow to play a made hand like TPTK or TPGK
      sometimes we do want to barrel them
      sometimes we do want to play pot control
      and sometimes we need to fold them

      we will find out when do to so, and against which players and why

      as usuall feel free to post your own hands in here

      greetings grummeler
  • 9 replies
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #1

      villian: vpip 44 / pfr 19 / af 2.0 / foldtocbet 25% / 33 hands

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Hero (UTG) ($26.66)
      MP ($26.10)
      CO ($25)
      Button ($26.50)
      SB ($18.35)
      BB ($23.05)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with J:diamond: , A:spade:
      Hero bets $1, 4 folds, BB calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.10) K:club: , A:diamond: , 9:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB raises $3, Hero calls $1.75

      Turn: ($8.10) 8:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($8.10) J:heart: (2 players)
      BB bets $7.50, Hero raises $22.66 (All-In), 1 fold

      Total pot: $23.10
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #2

      villian: vpip 78 / pfr 37 / AF 1.2 / foldtocbet 26% / hands 106

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      CO ($29.50)
      Hero (Button) ($25)
      SB ($28.82)
      BB ($36.74)
      UTG ($24.87)
      MP ($77.65)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with Q:diamond: , A:spade:
      1 fold, MP bets $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises $1.50, 2 folds, MP calls $1

      Flop: ($3.35) 8:club: , Q:heart: , 6:spade: (2 players)
      MP bets $0.25, Hero raises $3, MP calls $2.75

      Turn: ($9.35) 4:diamond: (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $6, 1 fold

      Total pot: $9.35
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #3

      villian: vpip 29 / pfr 13 / 4.3% 3bet / AF 0.9 / foldtocbet 63% / hands 74

      Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB ($2.39)
      BB ($2.84)
      UTG ($0.74)
      MP ($3.15)
      CO ($6.91)
      Hero (Button) ($6.37)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with 10:heart: , A:heart:
      3 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.32) 2:club: , 10:diamond: , 5:spade: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.72) 8:diamond: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

      River: ($1.72) J:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.90, 1 fold

      Total pot: $1.72
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #4

      villian: vpip 28 / pfr 21 / steal 46% / fold to 3bet 25% (4) / af 1.8 / hands 219
      fold to cbet 29%

      Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP ($53.45)
      Button ($104.95)
      SB ($53.45)
      Hero (BB) ($52)
      UTG ($30.70)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond: , Q:club:
      2 folds, Button bets $1.10, 1 fold, Hero raises $3.05, Button calls $2.45

      Flop: ($7.35) A:heart: , 9:spade: , 4:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.50, Button calls $4.50

      Turn: ($16.35) J:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, Button checks

      River: ($16.35) 3:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.50, Button calls $8.50

      Total pot: $33.35
    • grummeler
      grummeler
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 2,237
      #5

      villian: vpip 24 / pfr 18 / 3bet 2.9% / AF 1.7 / foldtocbet 17% / hands 209

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      BB ($50.70)
      UTG ($61.50)
      MP ($102.95)
      Hero (Button) ($50)
      SB ($55.60)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with Q:heart: , A:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

      Flop: ($3.50) 10:heart: , 5:spade: , A:club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

      Turn: ($8.50) 8:diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($8.50) 7:diamond: (2 players)
      SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

      Total pot: $20.50
    • Letsdothisish
      Letsdothisish
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      Joined: 01.02.2009 Posts: 995
      Villain 13/10/4.7AF/32%wtsd/1.2k hands

      Normally I'd raise on flop to protect but this opponent is very aggro and is capable of firing 3 barrels with hands that I could beat like KQ/KJs/QQ/JJ/TT/66-99.

      So it would seem a bit of a waste to raise here or not?

      Turn is ugly but I figured if I'd call the turn I also have to call the river because like I said he's so aggro.


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Hand afspelen

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $25.35
      UTG1:
      $25.60
      UTG2:
      $24.65
      MP1:
      $9.65
      MP2:
      $36.51
      MP3:
      $26.03
      CO:
      $62.04
      BU (Hero):
      $25.67
      SB:
      $10.99


      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, K.
      5 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($1.85) K, 2, 3 (2 players)
      CO bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00.

      Turn: ($3.85) 5 (2 players)
      CO bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00.

      River: ($7.85) 8 (2 players)
      CO bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00.

      Final Pot: $15.85.

      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(Ac Kc).
      CO shows three of a kind, eights(8c 8h).

      CO wins with three of a kind, eights(8c 8h).
    • Antie
      Antie
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      Joined: 23.06.2010 Posts: 111
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Hand afspelen

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Known players:
      BU:
      $10.00
      SB:
      $39.58
      BB (Hero):
      $25.38
      UTG1:
      $25.00
      UTG2:
      $35.90
      MP1:
      $25.00
      MP2:
      $13.97
      MP3:
      $16.44
      CO:
      $25.00

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
      5 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BU calls $0.75, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50.

      Flop: ($2.35) A, 9, 8 (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, BU calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50.

      Turn: ($6.85) T (3 players)
      Hero bets $6.85, CO calls $6.85, BU raises to $7.75(All-In), Hero calls $0.90, CO calls $0.90.

      River: ($30.1) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $15.00(All-In), Hero calls $15.00.

      Final Pot: $60.1.
    • imstoked
      imstoked
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      Joined: 31.05.2011 Posts: 80
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $8.36
      CO:
      $21.62
      BU:
      $4.40
      SB (Hero):
      $11.85


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 5.
      CO raises to $0.30, BU calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($1.2) 4, 5, A (4 players)
      Hero bets $1.00, BB folds, CO calls $1.00, BU calls $1.00.

      Turn: ($4.2) 4 (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, BU calls $2.00.

      River: ($10.2) 3 (3 players)
      Hero bets $4.00, CO calls $4.00, BU folds.

      Final Pot: $18.2.


      CO is 47/31/4.5

      I put him on a weak A/fd. The question is, is he stupid enough to call off his stack with it? I'm interested in river bet sizing.
    • Boubben
      Boubben
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      Joined: 20.01.2010 Posts: 240
      NL 100 sh rush

      I accidantally joined nl100 sh rush poker and only played one hand when my intention was to join the nl10 sh rush!


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $155.95
      BB (Hero):
      $100.00
      MP2:
      $92.45
      MP3:
      $18.20
      CO:
      $123.05
      BU:
      $188.35


      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
      MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $2.00, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $8.00, MP3 folds, SB calls $6.00.

      Flop: ($18) 2, 6, T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $10.00, SB calls $10.00.

      Turn: ($38) 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($38) 2 (2 players)
      SB bets $24.00, Hero calls $24.00.

      Final Pot: $86.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, nines and sixes(9 9).
      SB shows two pairs, sixes and twos(K Q).

      Hero wins with two pairs, nines and sixes(9 9).