Don't know whether to brag or complain

    • VorpalF2F
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      I play the $100 Canada Freeroll on FT and I rarely go deep.

      Tonight, though I was 32/110 but missed a flush draw, then this:

      I thought I had a shot to get back in it until:
      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 250/500 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP3 (t8256)
      CO (t11590)
      Button (t31176)
      SB (t18286)
      BB (t25532)
      Hero (UTG) (t2260)
      UTG+1 (t60317)
      MP1 (t18176)
      MP2 (t16487)

      Hero's M: 1.88

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, J
      Hero bets t2210 (All-In), 4 folds, CO raises to t11540 (All-In), 3 folds

      Flop: (t5620) 5, J, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: (t5620) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: (t5620) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t5620

      Results:
      Hero had Q, J (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
      CO had 9, A (straight, Queen high).
      Outcome: CO won t5620

      I bust out of two different tournaments today in the same way.
      I get two pair on the flop/turn-- villain gets straight on the river.

      but It is the deepest I've ever been in a tournament this big -- except for Round 1 freerolls where I seem to always get a ticket.
  • 11 replies
    • ihufa
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      threadworthy for sure
    • Waiboy
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      Hey VorpalF2F

      You're being results oriented, which isn't the best way to approach your poker. The thing you need to consider is whether your preflop push was reasonable.. and the best way to find that out is to post in the MTT evaluation forums.

      Best of luck. :f_grin:
    • mongomob
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      this needs a bump, i want to see some serius discussion!
    • mongomob
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      sry couldnt help myself...

      but to say something of sense, (i've never trolled before) (that's what it's called right?) (it's late)

      anyways, just be glad it was a freeroll right? and not something you invested in, however you were a 42% underdog when you put your money in, so cant be too disapointed, altough you flopped well.

      just try again with a clear head tomorrow and give it your best =)
    • Targetme
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      Well you had 4bb with antes your getting called by the bb with any 2 cards(if he knew what he was doing he was the chip leader?) It was an auto shove but you shoulda open shoved with 3 high the last 4 hands anyway

      If it makes you feel better ill send you the equity you had on the flop
    • VorpalF2F
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      No worries
      I had really lost the tournament several hands earlier,
      and I don't mind losing, and I can figure my own equity.

      So what it comes down to, I suppose, is that it is a shame a good run had to in such an ugly manner
    • ihufa
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      why is it an ugly manner?
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by Waiboy
      You're being results oriented, which isn't the best way to approach your poker.
      Which means what exactly?

      I see this "results oriented" phrase here and there in this and other forums.
      If you mean I should not care about the outcome of a particular hand, or a single tournament, I don't. The thread title was meant as a joke.

      But should we not be trying to maximize results long term? Isn't that being results oriented?

      So what do people mean when they say that?
      Is it supposed to be encouragement?
    • Waiboy
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      If the thread is a joke, then I apologize.. I tend to be a bit level blind from time to time. :f_eek:

      Being results oriented means you worry over whether you won or lost a hand, a session, a month, whatever. This is counterproductive because variance means that you can play perfectly and still lose. What IS important is whether you've played optimally - which is being process oriented. IF you always attempt to play optimally, you can't do any more. If you play optimally and lose (which can happen for extended periods of time - 100s of tournaments, 10s of thousands of hands) then that is the best you can hope for. Equally playing in a losing way and winning will tend to mean you're setting yourself up for mega tilt when imperfect play starts trending toward the expectation of that play.

      In summary, focus on optimal play, forget about results. Results are a product of variance + your standard of play +/- the standard of play of your opponents - rake.

      In answer to your last question, yes, this is an attempt be helpful and encouraging.

      Best of luck!
    • datsmahname
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      level or not this is funneh.
    • ihufa
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      I think you should neither brag nor complain :f_biggrin: