[NL20-NL50] Nl25 Fr - AJ with a lot of Queens

    • abzupfer
      abzupfer
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      Joined: 13.04.2006 Posts: 1,855
      KJ
      Poker Stars
      No Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
      8 players
      Converter

      Stack sizes:
      UTG: $10.80
      UTG+1: $14.55
      MP1: $28
      MP2: $22.55
      CO: $34.75
      Button: $51.15
      CO: $50.4
      SB: $24.80
      Hero: $30.55

      Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with A J
      UTG calls, 3 folds, CO raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG folds.

      Flop: J Q Q ($1.35, 2 players)
      Hero bets $1, CO raises to $2, Hero calls.

      Turn: 2 ($5.35, 2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls.

      River: Q ($9.35, 2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $3.5, Hero calls.

      Results:
      Final pot: $16.35

      I would have folded the river but the 3rd Queen makes me wonder whether he has a Jack himself. Unfortunately if so I was ahead on flop and turn but now it's a split.

      Should I play the flop differently (e.g. reraise - fold)? or other?
  • 8 replies
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I c/c - its more a WA/WB situation. If he checks behind on the turn, I may make a small value bet on the river.
    • Gungunhana
      Gungunhana
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      Joined: 26.02.2007 Posts: 429
      In this case , shouldn´t we fold a raise pf? Will play the hand OOP and AJ is not easy.
      Ok it is a miniraise so we don´t consider it?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I thought also about pre-flop action. Fold is not an option. Even against AA you´ll get the right odds if you hit straight or trips.
      You may consider 3-betting, but I think that call is also fine.
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 1,234
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      I thought also about pre-flop action. Fold is not an option. Even against AA you´ll get the right odds if you hit straight or trips.
      You may consider 3-betting, but I think that call is also fine.
      IMO, the problem are not the odds he's getting, but the playability of the hand and his position. As Gungunhana pointed out, AJ is not easy to play, and we don't have position.

      Let's suppose Hero's against AA here like you said, he calls and the flop comes Jack high, with some possible draws where he'd have the need to protect his hand. I think Hero would be in deep trouble.

      So, IMO, a call PF here is the worst choice, for me this is either fold or raise. Since AJ is not too strong and I don't have position post-flop, I'd fold most of the time, but sometimes I'd raise too.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Against CO min-raise I would 3-bet it with AJ. A lot of fold equity+ I know where I stand.
    • Faye6891
      Faye6891
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      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 1,234
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Against CO min-raise I would 3-bet it with AJ. A lot of fold equity+ I know where I stand.
      IMO it's OK too, as long as it's not just a call. :D
    • Gungunhana
      Gungunhana
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      Joined: 26.02.2007 Posts: 429
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Against CO min-raise I would 3-bet it with AJ. A lot of fold equity+ I know where I stand.
      I agree with a 3-bet after a miniraise if I´m IP. OOP I think AJ is not worth it
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I like the 3-bet: typically those minraises are either very strong or marginal holdings. This way I get the info...