playing live games

    • DrDunne
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      hi. i've played a lot of online poker over the last 2 years (trying to play properly only in the last half year or so) and i've also played a little bit of live home games with some mates. one of my friends is a sick live player seems to always do well and im just wondering about how online compares to live. obviously it's a lot slower and all that but i never end up doing well playing live. i played once in the local casino in an MTT, felt way out of my depth and ended up going out like half way through after playing barely any hands. i know online cos its fast you can sit and wait for hands but how do you get round this playing live? open up your range? i am really interested in improving my live game so any tips are appreciated... thanks
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    • Saruniks
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      I suck at live too. Dunno why.
    • z1pz0r
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      live is super easy I just get bored to death at table, starting to play mobile games, chatting on facebook, sending SMSes ... obviously that hurts my game
    • JHTAN
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      Hello,
      I know nonthing about live game.
      how many is the buy in on the live cash table?
      I would like to know the maximum and minimum buy in on the live table.
      100big blinds for maximum?
      can anyone please tell me?

      thanks.
    • DrDunne
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      Originally posted by z1pz0r
      live is super easy I just get bored to death at table, starting to play mobile games, chatting on facebook, sending SMSes ... obviously that hurts my game
      lol please share your secrets. i get bored too only difference is it means i lose. say im waiting around for a good hand.... it doesnt come along. so i open up my range a little and bleed chips! i would love to get better.. i guess practice would be an obvious answer, only thing is i dont know whether to play hands differently live or if you should play the same as online or what... i dont really want to practice making mistakes
    • Targetme
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      i spew
    • Waiboy
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      @JHTAN: Phone/google your local casino for this information, it's different everywhere.

      @OP: I'm doomswitched live too.. can't help I'm afraid.
    • z1pz0r
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      Dunne, it might help if you imagined being on online table, looking at your position and most of other players as 50/10/2 ... :)
    • DrDunne
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      thats a good way of thinking about it i never thought of that. seems quite obvious lol. what do you mean by 50/10/2?
    • z1pz0r
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      that's VPIP, PFR, preflop 3bet percentages ... online poker players use programs that show player's statistics ... just google poker tracker or hold'em manager.
    • DrDunne
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      oh yea i know what you mean i have that with HUD on the elephant but dont use it much cos it didnt position properly on the tables. i need to learn more about vpip and all that..
    • joeldowey123
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      you shouldnt be bored at a live table - while you are not in a hand, this is the perfect time to get some reads on people, who just calls, who likes to raise a lot, who doesnt know what playing in position mean - you get a lot of info for free caus you havnt paid to be in the hand.
    • dochazard
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      I play more live than online actually.

      On the lowest stake tables, expect lots of fish and the luckbox-wannabes who think they're brilliant when they hit their gutshot on the river or they catch runner-runner hands. All you really want to do is identify the regs who're making their living off the fish, avoid playing hands against them unless you have a good hand yourself, and with the rest, just stick to ABC poker and value bet all the way to the river. Try to identify the passive fish because when they raise, they have a strong one. Minimize bluffing to almost never, especially with the calling stations.

      Middle stake tables, people are a bit smarter. Depending on the opponents, you can do more moves there like 3-betting, 4-bet bluffing, etc.

      One crucial difference between live and online is that you have to pay more attention to stack sizes and do a lot more mental math since you can't automatically see how much they have behind and how much the pot size is. Keeping track of the pot and stack sizes should keep you busy.

      Good time to practice reads. Always try to get a feel for the two players to your left and the two players to your right. You'll be in the BTN and CO against them, you want to see if blind-stealing will be profitable. Against the players to your right, you want to see if they're aggressive enough to steal yours.

      Opening hand range, you want to at first stick to your solid TAG range, and if the table is tight, open it up with spec hands like middle SC's, especially if the table likes to limp.
    • SickAtHome
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      Great post dochazard!
    • DrDunne
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      yea awesome post :] and the keeping track of pot sizes is definitely something i will need to work on.