[NL2-NL10] NL10: QQ oop after early raise and 3 calls

    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
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      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      Hero:
      $23,82
      UTG+2:
      $12,39
      BB:
      $11,56
      MP2:
      $4,35
      MP1:
      $1,90
      BU:
      $1,55
      MP3:
      $9,42
      CO:
      $8,29

      0,05/0,10 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:heart: , Q:club:
      UTG+2 raises to $0,40, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0,40, MP3 calls $0,40, CO calls $0,40, BU folds, Hero raises to $2,50, BB folds, UTG+2 raises to $12,39 (All-In), MP2 raises to $4,35 (All-In), MP3 raises to $9,42 (All-In), 2 folds.

      Flop: ($29,16) T:club: , 2:heart: , 8:heart:
      Turn: ($29,16) 8:diamond:
      River: ($29,16) 7:spade:


      Final Pot: $29,16

      Can I just call preflop and play for set value?

      EDIT: I don't know how to import my PT in Grab'Em but UTG+2 is 7.4/4.8on 459 hands.
  • 9 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Even with these stats I would re-raise him. He often has AK, JJ and would fold these hands.
    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
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      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      I'm not sure, my equity against a realistic range for UTG+2 is just below 50%.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 164644764 5675268.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 183588540 5675268.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

      But maybe it is a good play because of the money all the callers left in?

      I don't think he'll always fold AK and if he raises i can't call.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      You´re not watching the equity for SH tables if you´re raising KQ or JTs from BU against CO open raise^^. You have a lot of fold equity against JJ, QQ, AK. I would bet/fold AK oop, since I don´t hit often enough and if I hit, don´t like to play for stacks with K high flop.
    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
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      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      Sorry. I reread your post a few times but I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you (or anyone who understands it) explain it a little better to me please?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I´m trying:)
      The most important thing is position in NL holdem. You can basically 3-bet with 72o if you think that you have enough fold equity pf or you think that opponent would fold on the flop if he don´t hit anything.
      You made calculations if you were going all-in pf. That would never happen, if you hold QQ pf, cause after 4-bet or push you have to fold. But what happens mostly is: UTG calls or fold, sometimes he 4-bets, because he has AA or KK. If he calls then he mostly plays check/fold, because he would put you on very strong hand: especially on lower limits they would put you on KK or AA and would maybe call only for set value, so on every board you can play make contibet and take mostly down the pot.
    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
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      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      Ok i understand what you say. But here I'm oop and if I choose just to call, I can shut down the action and see a flop (for set value and probaly stack agaisnt a strong hand). If I 3bet than I'm oop against any villain on the flop and i give them a chance to reraise me preflop and then i must fold.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Right, here you´re oop:) With JJ I would only call, I think itś not such a bad move to call with QQ. But if I have overpair I like to play bet/fold flop, because I could be ahead.
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I think I'd call given such a tight player raising from UTG. If we 3-bet here against his range, we turn our hand into a bluff: basically we don't want to call a shove but if we hope for a fold we can do this move with 72o. However, my hand has a lot of value and I wanna play it. Hence, I think calling is better than raising in this situation (just because of his very tight range).
    • Philipvw
      Philipvw
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      Joined: 28.05.2007 Posts: 578
      Thx, that were my toughts actually, but i wasn't so good putting them in words.