$3S-SNG on Party Poker 1000 Games Review

    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      Hey All,

      Today I completed 1000 games of $$3S-SNGs on Party Poker, When I first took my Money from my Everest account to my Party Account my intention was not to play SNGs after playing $1TSNGs on my starting captitale I belive that the $1 Turbos on Party are unbeatbale. My friend asked me if I was gonna play SNGs I was like I dont know I toyed with the idea and I decided just give it a shot and if I'm not wining after a few games I will just play cash.

      When I started these games I started well made $91 in just over $50 games an I was feeling good about it all. Then I hit some vairence and I droped just like on FT, when it finaly came crashing down back to 0 it was iratteing but it was diffrent to FT on FT when my green line sank so did my red line on Party its just gone up. I hit my lowest Point -$150 but at this point my red line was +$60. After this I hit a $200 upswing and I am basicly back up and around $0. but I am realy happy with the way i'm plying I have done alot of work with ICM Trainer and hopefull if I keep runing well in MTTs I will be able to buy SNG Wiz.

      Site - Party Poker
      Stakes - $3
      Games - 1000
      ROI% - -0.5%
      EV ROI% - 4.4%
      ITM% - 39.3%
      Time - 25.8
      $ - -$14.14
      Rake- $600.00
      Hours - 175.9
      $/Hr - -0.08

      Finish Distributions
      1st- 10.4
      2nd - 14.6
      3rd - 14.3
      4th - 13.9
      5th - 12.2
      6th - 12.8
      7th - 8.0
      8th - 8.1
      9th - 3.7
      10th - 2.0

      Individual Stats- (Most Stats are the ones on my Hud tell me if I need to add more here)

      VPIP - 18% - PFR - 15%
      VPIPEP - 9.3% - PFREP - 8.8%
      VPIPMP - 11.2% - PFRMP - 9.9%
      VPIPCO - 15.3% - PFRCO - 14.0%
      VPIPBtn - 17.8% - PFRBtn - 16.1%
      VPIPSB - 31.5% - PFRSB - 27.7%
      VPIPBB - 15.9% - PFRPBB - 9.5%
      VPIP 10 players - 9.3% - PFR 10 players - 6.0%
      VPIP 9 players - 9.9% - PFR 9 players - 7.4%
      VPIP 8 players - 10.3% - PFR 8 players - 8.3%
      VPIP 7 players - 12.5% - PFR 7 players - 10.7%
      VPIP 6 players - 16.2% - PFR 6 players - 14.6%
      VPIP 5 players - 20.7% - PFR 5 players - 18.6%
      VPIP 4 players - 25.8% - PFR 4 players - 23.1%
      VPIP 3 players - 34.0% - PFR 3 players - 30.1%
      VPIP 2 players - 47.7% - PFR 2 players - 42.8%
      AFq - 9%
      CO Steel - 23%
      BTN Steel - 28%
      SB Steel - 61%
      Fold SB to Steel - 90%
      Fold BB to Steel - 77%
      Limp - 2%
      Raise First - 24%
      3-Bet - 4%
      CBet - 85%
      Hands - 54448
      *Stats are taken from Database that includes other SNGs and MTTs which have dramaticly increased in last month and a 1/2.

      Graphs

      Winnings $


      Winnings BIs


      ROI/ITM


      Finish Distributions


      I think thing will be bright in the future as I can move up limits and pay less rake.

      Regard,
      BigAl123456

      Edit: Added more VPIP and PFR values.
  • 12 replies
    • pzhon
      pzhon
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      Most of your statistics like VPIP are not particularly meaningful since they mix together wildly different situations such as heads up and 9-handed play. They would be more meaningful if you filter by position and the number of players left.

      Your 10.4% finishes in first place means that you are barely gaining any chips on average, while you are taking the game seriously and your opponents probably aren't. You are hardly ever busting out in 10th, 2.0%, but busting out on the first hand is no worse than bubbling out. I think that points to missed opportunities to take the chips your opponents are trying to give away. This means you arrive at the bubble with a short stack too often which lets your opponents make correct odds calls against you, which makes it harder for you to accumulate chips on the bubble.

      In my experience, it is possible to gain both chips and ICM equity in all stages of a low or medium stakes SNG. If there is any phase (blind level or number of players left) where you aren't gaining chips or equity, check if you have leaks or are missing opportunities.
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Originally posted by pzhon
      Most of your statistics like VPIP are not particularly meaningful since they mix together wildly different situations such as heads up and 9-handed play. They would be more meaningful if you filter by position and the number of players left.

      Your 10.4% finishes in first place means that you are barely gaining any chips on average, while you are taking the game seriously and your opponents probably aren't. You are hardly ever busting out in 10th, 2.0%, but busting out on the first hand is no worse than bubbling out. I think that points to missed opportunities to take the chips your opponents are trying to give away. This means you arrive at the bubble with a short stack too often which lets your opponents make correct odds calls against you, which makes it harder for you to accumulate chips on the bubble.

      In my experience, it is possible to gain both chips and ICM equity in all stages of a low or medium stakes SNG. If there is any phase (blind level or number of players left) where you aren't gaining chips or equity, check if you have leaks or are missing opportunities.
      OK I have updated and added more VPIP and PFR Values, is there anything else I should add?
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      BB/100 - 5.54
      BB/100 10 Players - 16.27
      BB/100 9 Players - 10.65
      BB/100 8 Players - 5.78
      BB/100 7 Players - 6.16
      BB/100 6 Players - 1.35
      BB/100 5 Players - 2.20
      BB/100 4 Players - -0.02
      BB/100 3 Players - 0.17
      BB/100 2 Players - 2.11

      BB/100 T40 - 19.26
      BB/100 T60 - 8.73
      BB/100 T100 - 3.29
      BB/100 T200 - -0.85
      BB/100 T400 - 1.96
      BB/100 T600 - 2.78
      BB/100 T800 - 5.56
      BB/100 T1200 - -3.79
      BB/100 T2000 - -3.77
      BB/100 T3000 - 39.83
    • pzhon
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      I think your VPIP/PFR should vary more by your position.

      It does look like you are unnecessarily tight with many players left. I think you should look for possible missed opportunities in late position. Your early position stats do not look tight.

      What is your BB/100 or luck-adjusted BB/100 filtered by the number of players left or by blind level?
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Originally posted by pzhon
      I think your VPIP/PFR should vary more by your position.

      It does look like you are unnecessarily tight with many players left. I think you should look for possible missed opportunities in late position. Your early position stats do not look tight.

      What is your BB/100 or luck-adjusted BB/100 filtered by the number of players left or by blind level?
      This seems strange to me because I dont play many hands out of early position, I dont Open Limp in EP I only Raise 8s+ AQs+ sometimes but mostly only AKo+.

      I cant find the stat for Luck adjusted BB/100, but I added BB/100 by number of players and blinds played in Party SNGs. However some of these blinds levels are played in MTTs aswell.
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Originally posted by pzhon
      I think your VPIP/PFR should vary more by your position.

      It does look like you are unnecessarily tight with many players left. I think you should look for possible missed opportunities in late position. Your early position stats do not look tight.
      What is your BB/100 or luck-adjusted BB/100 filtered by the number of players left or by blind level?
      I have been pondering what you have said here, but I have not been able to act on it until now. I was trying to figure out how I can do this. Luckily I have been rereading the SNG Articles and have come across an article and video on Speculative hands, which I must of not been paying attention.

      Even tho this article talks about playing these hands passively and I think from your post you don’t mean playing passively?
    • Rufus433
      Rufus433
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      Joined: 20.08.2010 Posts: 459
      From my latest observations and my own experience, to beat a micro stakes sng nowadays you just have to be a LAG not a TAG, You just have to study and improve your post-flop skills, also betsizing is very important, and for a while it was very hard for me to open up my open range.

      You definitely want to open limp with small pocket pairs like 22-55, just looking for set value, and open like 66+ ATo+ A8s+ KQo KTs+.

      So if you are interest in some discussions just add me here and we can talk through Pm. ;)
    • bohemiagrove
      bohemiagrove
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      play any two cards in any position if u have a plan!!!!

      the"!!!!"is because i am total fish.But one can argue that playn spots and format is beter then strategy and icm.:D
    • Gerovit
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      If it means anything we played couple of sng's and i can empirically confirm Pzhon's observation based on stats.
      You are to tight in late positions and more important you call shoves waaay to tight, a number of times with odds of 3 to 1 (with crazy Party blind structure when we jump from 100/200 to 200/400 there are a lot of situations like this)
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Originally posted by Gerovit
      If it means anything we played couple of sng's and i can empirically confirm Pzhon's observation based on stats.
      You are to tight in late positions and more important you call shoves waaay to tight, a number of times with odds of 3 to 1 (with crazy Party blind structure when we jump from 100/200 to 200/400 there are a lot of situations like this)
      We have played together?

      ok what do you think the best way to work on this, just more work on calling in the ICM Trainer?

      Edit: Also you say I'm to Tight in LP do you think I need to steal more sooner?
    • Gerovit
      Gerovit
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      Originally posted by BigAl123456
      Originally posted by Gerovit
      If it means anything we played couple of sng's and i can empirically confirm Pzhon's observation based on stats.
      You are to tight in late positions and more important you call shoves waaay to tight, a number of times with odds of 3 to 1 (with crazy Party blind structure when we jump from 100/200 to 200/400 there are a lot of situations like this)
      We have played together?

      ok what do you think the best way to work on this, just more work on calling in the ICM Trainer?

      Edit: Also you say I'm to Tight in LP do you think I need to steal more sooner?
      Best way is working with Pzhon's icm explorer http://www.icmexplorer.com/
      You can calculate what equity do you need to call all in.


      And for sure you have to steal very agro when blinds are 100/200 before jump to 200/400, then they have good odds to make a call, you need to accumulate chips sooner



      Edit: you deed play 11's last week didn' you?
    • BigAl123456
      BigAl123456
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      Originally posted by Gerovit
      Originally posted by BigAl123456
      Originally posted by Gerovit
      If it means anything we played couple of sng's and i can empirically confirm Pzhon's observation based on stats.
      You are to tight in late positions and more important you call shoves waaay to tight, a number of times with odds of 3 to 1 (with crazy Party blind structure when we jump from 100/200 to 200/400 there are a lot of situations like this)
      We have played together?

      ok what do you think the best way to work on this, just more work on calling in the ICM Trainer?

      Edit: Also you say I'm to Tight in LP do you think I need to steal more sooner?
      Best way is working with Pzhon's icm explorer http://www.icmexplorer.com/
      You can calculate what equity do you need to call all in.


      And for sure you have to steal very agro when blinds are 100/200 before jump to 200/400, then they have good odds to make a call, you need to accumulate chips sooner

      Edit: you deed play 11's last week didn' you?
      Regarding stealing on 100/200 the only problem is here is most of the time I am in Push or fold mode.

      Yer I only played a few session because I am trying to get off Party, but if there is a relode bonus on the WPT Final table 2moro I will be staying for that.