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[NL20-NL50] Nl25 sh AA vs flop raise

    • snaker3
      snaker3
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.11.2007 Posts: 178
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $53.73
      CO:
      $25.00
      BU:
      $93.86
      SB:
      $63.88
      BB:
      $49.11
      MP2 (Hero):
      $68.50


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
      Hero raises to $1.00, MP3 calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

      Flop: ($4.1) 5, T, 8 (4 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, MP3 raises to $10.00, CO folds, BB folds, hero-?

      aggro, raise 63%cb should I call or raise?
  • 3 replies
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.05.2009 Posts: 2,642
      Call, the board is superdry and you're 200bb+ deep.

      You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p and let him bluff/valuetown himself with TP/JJ/overs+gutter/OESD etc
    • Bierbaer
      Bierbaer
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.05.2005 Posts: 7,989
      Originally posted by snaker3
      should I call or raise?
      Fold!

      Originally posted by StaticMoth
      Call, the board is superdry and you're 200bb+ deep.
      Exactly, we rep QQ+ here and there are 2 people left to act after this guy, so he will pretty much never have a bluff.
      Also we're 200BB deep so he can put us in terrible spots - if he continues barreling we will get to the SD about 0% of the time unless we hit an A.
      Additional to that our range is very defined, we will c/c the turn and at this point he can be pretty sure we have an overpair at best so a big riverbet (vs which we fold) is mandatory for him.
      Lastly the board is not dry at all, since we're so deep there are a ton of straightdraws he can have.
      Any 4, 9, J, Q are scarecards besides the cards that pair the board.


      Originally posted by StaticMoth
      You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p
      Vs those we don't want to potcontrol - we want to fold ;) .

      Originally posted by StaticMoth
      and let him bluff/valuetown himself with TP/JJ/overs+gutter/OESD etc
      As explained above, his bluffingrange is non-existant.
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.05.2009 Posts: 2,642
      [quote]Originally posted by Bierbaer

      Originally posted by StaticMoth
      You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p
      Vs those we don't want to potcontrol - we want to fold ;) .


      Duh, I'm rusty/bad phrasing :tongue:

      But still I guess we'd need to know more about villain to make the decision ...
      Things like "our range is well defined as QQ+" and "he knows he can make us fold by barreling just because of our defined range and the very fact that the board is pretty innocent/dry looking, so he's repping big strength"

      Those things/thought processes and NL25 don't really go hand in hand.

      On the other hand, nobody rly folds strong overpairs @NL25 so that goes to show that bluffs rly should be unlikely here.

      But still, since it's NL25 I would expect to see ppl overplay their medium strength hands on such boards coz they might think "Oh, this board doesn't hit him and I don't want any overcards to come, so I raise for value/protection"

      Seems very weak to me to just muck it right then and there ...
      "Don't play AA deepstacked vs aggro players" ?