[NL20-NL50] [Hu Nl50] - Kk

    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
      Silver
      Joined: 22.05.2009 Posts: 2,642
      Villain - 71/44/3AF/25% 3bet/Fv3B 17%



      I was owning him the entire match and almost all of his bluffs failed, so keywords would be = frustration/tilt/desperation

      Some examples of his spew


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      ($73.25)
      Hero ($87)

      Hero posts (SB) $0.25

      Dealt to Hero 6:diamond: 6:spade:

      Hero raises to $1.50, calls $1


      FLOP ($3) 5:spade: J:spade: 7:spade:

      checks, Hero checks

      TURN ($3) 5:spade: J:spade: 7:spade: A:spade:

      checks, Hero checks

      RIVER ($3) 5:spade: J:spade: 7:spade: A:spade: 4:heart:

      checks, Hero bets $2.50, raises to $18, Hero calls $15.50

      shows J:heart: T:diamond:
      (Pre 49%, Flop 55.3%, Turn 0.0%)

      Hero shows 6:diamond: 6:spade:
      (Pre 51%, Flop 44.7%, Turn 100.0%)

      Hero wins $38


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($92.50)
      ($66)

      Dealt to Hero K:heart: A:club:

      raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, calls $3.50

      FLOP ($10) 9:spade: A:diamond: 4:heart:

      Hero bets $5.50, calls $5.50

      TURN ($21) 9:spade: A:diamond: 4:heart: Q:spade:

      Hero checks, bets $55.50 (AI), Hero calls $55.50

      RIVER ($132) 9:spade: A:diamond: 4:heart: Q:spade: J:club:

      shows 6:heart: T:heart:
      (Pre 38%, Flop 6.6%, Turn 0.0%)

      Hero shows K:heart: A:club:
      (Pre 62%, Flop 93.4%, Turn 100.0%)

      Hero wins $131


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($164)
      ($42.38)

      Dealt to Hero A:diamond: K:diamond:

      raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, calls $3.50

      FLOP ($10) K:club: 3:heart: 5:spade:

      Hero bets $5.12, calls $5.12

      TURN ($20.24) K:club: 3:heart: 5:spade: 2:spade:

      Hero bets $13, raises to $32.26 (AI), Hero calls $19.26

      RIVER ($84.76) K:club: 3:heart: 5:spade: 2:spade: 6:spade:

      shows J:heart: J:diamond:
      (Pre 55%, Flop 8.8%, Turn 4.5%)

      Hero shows A:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 45%, Flop 91.2%, Turn 95.5%)

      Hero wins $83.76



      Then the tides turned a bit, he got boomswitched and started hitting everything, so momentum swong over to his side a bit ... and then this hand comes.



      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($134)
      ($112)

      Dealt to Hero K:club: K:heart:

      calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2.50, calls $2

      FLOP ($5) 2:heart: 3:spade: 9:heart:

      Hero bets $3.25, raises to $8, Hero calls $4.75

      TURN ($21) 2:heart: 3:spade: 9:heart: 5:heart:

      Hero checks, bets $10, Hero calls $10

      RIVER ($41) 2:heart: 3:spade: 9:heart: 5:heart: 4:club:

      Hero checks, bets $34, Hero folds

      wins $40


      Don't want to 3b/get it in 200bb on the flop ... though I guess I could 3b and not be too worried about him shipping since he made it so small, but you never know with him possibly being rly tilty.

      If we were 100bb deep, I would c/shove the turn coz we have plenty of outs if we're behind, but also expect to get called by a lot of pair+draw hands ...

      Only dead to the nutflush but I don't expect him to limp/call a lot of Ax suited hands so not rly worried about that.

      But since we're deep, another flat@ turn.

      River = flop OESD made two pair + the previous random two pairs/sets, all Ax made the str8 even though we don't expect him to have many Ax's in his range, 56/76 :heart: and other flushes.

      Basically everything has me screwed ... But we have seen some pretty random 0% equity bluffs from him.

      How would you play it vs this opp given the dynamic and why?
  • 4 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      You can´t really fold overpair that point, since he would raise flop for value worse hands and I think he would also bluff there, since he would not really limp/call with A high flush too often.
      So if you think player can fold there two pair you can also consider shoving river, but I would personally just call him down.
      KK on that board is enough times ahead his range especially consider his turn bet size
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
      Silver
      Joined: 22.05.2009 Posts: 2,642
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      ... since he would raise flop for value worse hands
      98/T9 ? 66-88?

      If he raises those on the flop and 2nd barrels, he wouldn't bomb the river so big ... He was doing the typical small underbets on the river whenever he was after thin value.

      Example

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($122)
      ($127)

      Dealt to Hero 6:heart: A:diamond:

      raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

      FLOP ($3) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club:

      Hero checks, bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

      TURN ($6) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club: 9:club:

      Hero checks, bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

      RIVER ($13) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club: 9:club: 9:diamond:

      Hero checks, bets $3, Hero calls $3

      shows 4:club: 4:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 10.0%, Turn 4.5%)

      Hero shows 6:heart: A:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 90.0%, Turn 95.5%)

      Hero wins $18.25

      And as far as I know, he isn't limping such hands anyway.

      I checked from HEM all the hands he limped, two hands got to showdown where he limped pre - he had Q5o and K6o

      So hand with single highcard value that he can't fold but doesn't want to raise either coz of no suitedness and possible kicker troubles, so he likes to play smaller pots with those ... would be my guess.



      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      KK on that board is enough times ahead his range especially consider his turn bet size
      Only thing I see myself being ahead of is random bluffs/9x (and previously he hasn't played TP so aggro)

      Other side of the coin is filled with flushes/straights/sets/two pairs.
    • fusionpk
      fusionpk
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,683
      i play same, his flop c/r is 20% so far, seems reasonable % for draws & value hands, i think at this point his range is reasonably polarised to draws & nuttish type hands since when we combine his pf limp range with his c/r'ing range it seems like he isn't really going to have many TP type hands to c/r for value, so we can either 3b flop or flat, on this occasion i think i agree flatting is best, i think without Kh I might be more inclined to fold turn, but with Kh I call and eval river, with this riv + his sizing i think we should fold.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by StaticMoth
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      ... since he would raise flop for value worse hands
      98/T9 ? 66-88?

      If he raises those on the flop and 2nd barrels, he wouldn't bomb the river so big ... He was doing the typical small underbets on the river whenever he was after thin value.

      Example

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($122)
      ($127)

      Dealt to Hero 6:heart: A:diamond:

      raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

      FLOP ($3) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club:

      Hero checks, bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

      TURN ($6) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club: 9:club:

      Hero checks, bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

      RIVER ($13) 6:diamond: 2:spade: 2:club: 9:club: 9:diamond:

      Hero checks, bets $3, Hero calls $3

      shows 4:club: 4:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 10.0%, Turn 4.5%)

      Hero shows 6:heart: A:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 90.0%, Turn 95.5%)

      Hero wins $18.25

      And as far as I know, he isn't limping such hands anyway.

      I checked from HEM all the hands he limped, two hands got to showdown where he limped pre - he had Q5o and K6o

      So hand with single highcard value that he can't fold but doesn't want to raise either coz of no suitedness and possible kicker troubles, so he likes to play smaller pots with those ... would be my guess.



      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      KK on that board is enough times ahead his range especially consider his turn bet size
      Only thing I see myself being ahead of is random bluffs/9x (and previously he hasn't played TP so aggro)

      Other side of the coin is filled with flushes/straights/sets/two pairs.
      Well you first said he is manaic and he likes to spew and then you´re trying to make hero fold when 4 is quite blank card.
      Imo he has air for example just too many times that you should consider folding there KK and he may turn smt like 36 into bluff thinking 4 should be scare card for you. Given previous hands and line you took don´t see why you should not go to shodwown