[NL2-NL10] Can you ever fold KK preflop?

    • Edukator99
      Edukator99
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.07.2010 Posts: 240
      I would have bet you twice my stack I was up against AA here.

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      BB ($9.30)
      ($8.54)
      UTG ($15.90)
      UTG+1 ($9.82)
      UTG+2 ($10.89)
      MP1 ($1.90)
      MP2 ($11.38)
      MP3 ($7.80)
      Dealt to ($2)
      Hero ($10.09)

      BB posts (SB) $0.05

      Dealt to Hero K:heart: K:diamond:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.35, UTG+2 raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $4.80, Hero raises to $10.09 (AI), UTG+2 calls $5.29

      FLOP ($20.68) T:diamond: 6:club: 9:diamond:

      TURN ($20.68) T:diamond: 6:club: 9:diamond: 6:diamond:

      RIVER ($20.68) T:diamond: 6:club: 9:diamond: 6:diamond: 8:club:

      UTG+2 shows A:spade: A:club:
      (Pre 81%, Flop 84.9%, Turn 77.3%)

      Hero shows K:heart: K:diamond:
      (Pre 19%, Flop 15.1%, Turn 22.7%)

      UTG+2 wins $19.65

      I had 76 hands on the opponent. No three bets as of yet. He 3 bets UTG2. I thought about calling but couldn't see getting away from the hand post flop. I 4 bet he 5 bets. I said: He has Aces and called. He had Aces. At this limit almost the only time anyone with a big stack has gone all in preflop it's with AA and KK usually against each other. Can I fold here? Also, aggravatingly enough, this is the third time I've had KK all in against AA in the last 2 sessions so it feels like it's turning into a leak.

      In a situation where you get 5 bet from early-isn't they guy telling you he has AA. And if he doesn't...won't he have it 90% of the time?
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Edukator99,

      One option what I sometimes pick in this cases is that I just Call and try even to invite the UTG1 to join into the pot. With 4betting there you basically just telling that you have a very strong range and they will likely continue only with very strong range unless they are really bad players. But of course I don't think that we are getting away from this situation.

      Best regards.
    • Edukator99
      Edukator99
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.07.2010 Posts: 240
      what do you think about the fact that the majority of all ins I'm seeing preflop end up being AA against KK if the players have solid stats? Is KK just destined to lose to AA every time (minus suck outs of course) I guess in 100BB stacks this must be the case.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Edukator99
      what do you think about the fact that the majority of all ins I'm seeing preflop end up being AA against KK if the players have solid stats? Is KK just destined to lose to AA every time (minus suck outs of course) I guess in 100BB stacks this must be the case.
      It's because you always will remember the cases when you go all-in with KK and face AA. But you wont remember those cases where you go all-in with AA and see KK. :) Always remembering loosing sessions more than winning ones and winning sessions don't cover the tilt which is coming from loosing sessions.
    • Edukator99
      Edukator99
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.07.2010 Posts: 240
      Cool. Good advice.