[NL2-NL10] NL6 FR KQs 15.07

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $5.85
      SB: $5.88
      BB: $3.81
      Hero (UTG): $13.02
      UTG+1: $9.33
      MP: $1.62
      MP+1: $6.18
      CO: $5.39

      SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has K:heart: Q:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.24, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.21, fold

      Flop: ($0.54, 2 players) 4:club: 6:heart: 7:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.34, 2 players) 3:heart:
      SB bets $1.34, Hero calls $1.34

      River: ($4.02, 2 players) 9:spade:
      SB bets $3.90, fold

      standard play pre flop and on the flop... what to do on the turn?
      I called it because if I hit my draw I would definitely win whole opponent's stack...
  • 6 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      You don't have the correct implied odds on turn. Should be rather a fold.

      Best regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      why not?
      ($1.34(pot)+$1.34(bet on the turn)+$3.90(rest of his stack))/$1.34(my call)=4.9
      it's better then 4...
      maybe I counted uncorrect...
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      why not?
      ($1.34(pot)+$1.34(bet on the turn)+$3.90(rest of his stack))/$1.34(my call)=4.9
      it's better then 4...
      maybe I counted uncorrect...
      It's not about either he has the stack or not. But rather if we have the clean outs. We could easily be against set then we don't have clean FD outs. And of course even if we hit our flush it could be still the chance that he is even Check/Folding. Plus you didn't write even against what kind of opponent we are against.
    • Stevos1938
      Stevos1938
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.02.2009 Posts: 270
      If i may add something.
      I'm not sure against what type of opponent your playing against, but if he's a loose player then i would not cbet this flop.
      Because it hits his range pretty good and you'll often get called and having to check/fold the turn.

      So against a loose passif player i would just check/fold such a flop.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      Originally posted by Stevos1938
      If i may add something.
      I'm not sure against what type of opponent your playing against, but if he's a loose player then i would not cbet this flop.
      Because it hits his range pretty good and you'll often get called and having to check/fold the turn.

      So against a loose passif player i would just check/fold such a flop.
      I can't agree with only checking the flop...
      look at this:

      Board: 4c 6h 7s
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 43.068% 40.65% 02.42% 144076 8565.00 { KhQh }
      Hand 1: 56.932% 54.52% 02.42% 193214 8565.00 { TT-22, ATs-A2s, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, ATo-A2o, K9o+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }

      This equity looks not bad... I think the players can call from SB more hand than I add to our simulation.
      so my Cbet isn't bad play in my opinion...

      Originally posted by veriz
      It's not about either he has the stack or not. But rather if we have the clean outs. We could easily be against set then we don't have clean FD outs. And of course even if we hit our flush it could be still the chance that he is even Check/Folding. Plus you didn't write even against what kind of opponent we are against.
      Ok, I understand that you are talking about clean odds which I didn't have in this situation... but what about implied odds which I have?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Ok, I understand that you are talking about clean odds which I didn't have in this situation... but what about implied odds which I have?

      You don't have all FD outs clean since he may easily even have there set which means that you have to discount 2 outs. So basically have 7 clean outs. But even then you might be against better FD, like FD+GS or whatsoever or even A:h5 which gives him straight already. So therefore you can't Call it on turn.