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MSS bad player or just unlucky?!

    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      Hello!

      I am playing on 888poker. You can find me at NL10 FR tables where I try to play according to MSS.

      The last two days were horrible. I lost everything that I won in the first five days since I played MSS.

      Here is my graph:



      I need to post some bad beats from the last 2 days in wich I lost 8 BI, to feel better: :)

      Number 1
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP: $10.77
      Hero (CO): $6.83
      BTN: $15.35
      SB: $21.05
      BB: $10.29
      UTG: $12.02
      UTG+1: $12.56

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K:spade: K:diamond:

      UTG calls $0.10, fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $0.65

      Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) T:heart: 6:club: 3:club:
      MP checks, Hero bets $1.51, MP calls $1.51

      Turn: ($4.77, 2 players) 5:club:
      MP checks, Hero checks

      River: ($4.77, 2 players) K:heart:
      MP bets $4.77, Hero calls $4.57

      MP shows Q:club: J:club: (Flush, Queen High) (PreFlop 19%, Flop 38%, Turn 100%)
      Hero shows K:spade: K:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (PreFlop 81%, Flop 62%, Turn 0%)
      MP wins $13.22
      Couldn't give up set of K on the river.


      Number 2
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $5.54
      UTG+1: $4.45
      Hero (MP): $6.31
      CO: $17.88
      BTN: $9.90
      SB: $4.08
      BB: $1.34

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5:club: 5:diamond:

      UTG calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, fold, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.55, 5 players) K:spade: 5:spade: 4:heart:
      BB checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.08, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.24, fold, Hero calls $0.16

      Turn: ($3.33, 2 players) A:diamond:

      River: ($3.33, 2 players) 3:spade:

      Hero shows 5:club: 5:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Fives) (PreFlop 53%, Flop 72%, Turn 82%)
      BB shows 6:spade: 7:diamond: (Straight, Seven High) (PreFlop 47%, Flop 28%, Turn 18%)
      BB wins $3.17


      Number 3
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $2.50
      BB: $10.00
      Hero (UTG): $3.10
      UTG+1: $6.81
      MP: $10.62
      MP+1: $5.34
      LP: $10.45
      CO: $9.36
      BTN: $9.85

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.35, fold, MP calls $0.35, MP+1 raises to $0.60, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.95, 3 players) 6:spade: 5:heart: 3:club:
      Hero bets $0.97, fold, MP+1 calls $0.97

      Turn: ($3.89, 2 players) 4:club:
      Hero bets $1.53, MP+1 calls $1.53

      River: ($6.95, 2 players) 3:heart:

      Hero shows Q:club: Q:heart: (Two Pair, Queens and Threes) (PreFlop 80%, Flop 77%, Turn 3%)
      MP+1 shows T:spade: 7:spade: (Straight, Seven High) (PreFlop 20%, Flop 23%, Turn 97%)
      MP+1 wins $6.61
      ....stupid runner runner... donkey won again :s_evil:


      Number 4
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: $2.50
      BB: $10.00
      Hero (UTG): $3.10
      UTG+1: $6.81
      MP: $10.62
      MP+1: $5.34
      LP: $10.45
      CO: $9.36
      BTN: $9.85

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.35, fold, MP calls $0.35, MP+1 raises to $0.60, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.95, 3 players) 6:spade: 5:heart: 3:club:
      Hero bets $0.97, fold, MP+1 calls $0.97

      Turn: ($3.89, 2 players) 4:club:
      Hero bets $1.53, MP+1 calls $1.53

      River: ($6.95, 2 players) 3:heart:

      Hero shows Q:club: Q:heart: (Two Pair, Queens and Threes) (PreFlop 80%, Flop 77%, Turn 3%)
      MP+1 shows T:spade: 7:spade: (Straight, Seven High) (PreFlop 20%, Flop 23%, Turn 97%)
      MP+1 wins $6.61
      Who can fold KK on this flop, having the K :spade: ?! Donkey hit again.


      Number 5
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      CO: $3.50
      Hero (BTN): $4.47
      SB: $8.07
      BB: $13.22
      UTG: $10.00
      UTG+1: $16.78
      MP: $10.32

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A:spade: K:club:

      UTG raises to $0.20, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.92, fold, fold, UTG raises to $2.20, fold, Hero calls $1.28

      Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) 5:heart: 6:spade: K:heart:
      UTG bets $7.80, Hero calls $2.27

      Turn: ($9.39, 2 players) 3:club:

      River: ($9.39, 2 players) 4:diamond:

      Hero shows A:spade: K:club: (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 45%, Flop 86%, Turn 86%)
      UTG shows 7:diamond: 7:spade: (Straight, Seven High) (PreFlop 55%, Flop 14%, Turn 14%)
      UTG wins $8.93
      Are you kiding me?! WTF?! :s_evil:


      Number 6
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP: $8.60
      CO: $7.83
      BTN: $10.00
      Hero (SB): $3.80
      BB: $15.10
      UTG: $13.44
      UTG+1: $1.70

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 8:diamond: 6:club:

      fold, fold, MP calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) 5:diamond: 7:diamond: A:club:
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

      Turn: ($0.30, 3 players) 9:club:
      Hero bets $0.30, fold, MP raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $3.70, MP calls $2.80

      River: ($7.70, 2 players) 7:club:

      MP shows 7:spade: 9:spade: (Full House, Sevens full of Nines) (PreFlop 65%, Flop 59%, Turn 9%)
      Hero shows 8:diamond: 6:club: (Straight, Nine High) (PreFlop 35%, Flop 41%, Turn 91%)
      MP wins $7.32
      ...OMG!!!! :s_o:


      Number 7
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $12.59
      UTG+1: $7.83
      MP: $10.00
      Hero (CO): $3.80
      BTN: $14.80
      SB: $13.34
      BB: $1.70

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T:diamond: Q:heart:

      fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.10, fold, fold, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.35, 3 players) J:spade: T:club: K:heart:
      BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold

      Turn: ($0.95, 2 players) 9:spade:
      UTG+1 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.38, UTG+1 calls $1.08

      River: ($3.71, 2 players) K:spade:
      UTG+1 bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85

      UTG+1 shows 9:heart: K:diamond: (Full House, Kings full of Nines) (PreFlop 58%, Flop 66%, Turn 13%)
      Hero mucks T:diamond: Q:heart: (Straight, King High) (PreFlop 42%, Flop 34%, Turn 88%)
      UTG+1 wins $7.04
      Oh yeah, river crushed again!!! :s_evil:


      Number 8
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (SB): $3.60
      BB: $10.00
      UTG: $2.28
      UTG+1: $15.74
      MP: $6.97
      MP+1: $12.74
      CO: $12.24
      BTN: $8.31

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A:club: A:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.30, fold, MP raises to $6.97 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.55, fold, UTG calls $1.98

      Flop: ($9.58, 3 players) 3:heart: 6:club: T:diamond:

      Turn: ($9.58, 3 players) 4:spade:

      River: ($9.58, 3 players) J:diamond:

      Hero shows A:club: A:spade: (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 71%, Flop 79%, Turn 88%)
      UTG shows K:diamond: Q:club: (High Card, King) (PreFlop 12%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
      MP shows 6:spade: J:spade: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes) (PreFlop 17%, Flop 18%, Turn 12%)
      MP wins $6.60
      MP wins $2.51
      Is this a joke?! :s_confused:


      I know that everyone experienced bad beats, but it is incredible that in only I got crushed like this on turn and especialy on river by donkey who don't have a clue about poker.

      This is the only bad beat that I gave to someone in the last 2 days:
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $10.00
      UTG: $10.46
      UTG+1: $21.24
      MP: $5.80
      MP+1: $7.65
      Hero (CO): $4.12
      BTN: $11.10
      SB: $10.93

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K:diamond: K:spade:

      fold, fold, MP raises to $0.20, MP+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $5.80, fold, Hero calls $3.02

      Flop: ($8.59, 2 players) 5:heart: K:heart: A:heart:

      Turn: ($8.59, 2 players) 5:spade:

      River: ($8.59, 2 players) K:club:

      MP shows A:club: A:spade: (Full House, Aces full of Kings) (PreFlop 82%, Flop 93%, Turn 98%)
      Hero shows K:diamond: K:spade: (Four of a Kind, Kings) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 7%, Turn 2%)
      Hero wins $8.17


      Hope next days won't be so sick like the last 2 ones.

      I will update this blog weekly.

      PS: I will not post any other bad beats in the following posts.

      Good luck!
  • 12 replies
    • tofu22
      tofu22
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.10.2008 Posts: 659
      if you played it exactly according to mss strategy, then it's just a normal downswing get used to it. you only played like 7k hands so probably many more up/down swings comeing your way. if your still down after 100k hands then you probably should be worried.
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.06.2010 Posts: 961
      yeah looks pretty standard swings
    • NewbieGrinder
      NewbieGrinder
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.07.2011 Posts: 59
      Some of these hands are +ev but in your graph, "net expected won" never go up? ?(
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      Where I can find the notes taken to players on 888poker at the tables?

      In wich file?

      Thank you!
    • RubyWesson
      RubyWesson
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 374
      Ill show ya a funny hand.


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $5.72
      MP3 (Hero):
      $2.34
      CO:
      $5.27
      BU:
      $4.01
      SB:
      $20.29
      BB:
      $4.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO folds, BU calls $0.15, SB folds, BB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2.34, BU folds, BB calls $1.84.

      Flop: ($4.85) K, 9, 9 (2 players)


      Turn: ($4.85) T (2 players)


      River: ($4.85) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $4.85.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and nines(A K).
      BB shows a straight flush, king high(J Q).

      BB wins with a straight flush, king high(J Q).
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328


      Another crap day on 888poker. I don't know what to do to make some profit. I can't win any coin flip. When I have pocket KK,QQ I always meet a stronger pocket pair. This is sick.

      Almost every monster hand that I have is crushed by my opponent.
      Here are the sickest hands from today:

      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      LP: $17.35
      Hero (CO): $7.71
      BTN: $16.44
      SB: $10.50
      BB: $10.31
      UTG: $10.00
      UTG+1: $4.15
      MP: $10.34
      MP+1: $10.10

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.40, fold, fold, LP calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($1.35, 3 players) T:diamond: T:club: A:spade:
      UTG+1 checks, LP checks, Hero bets $0.77, fold, LP calls $0.77

      Turn: ($2.89, 2 players) A:club:
      LP bets $16.18, Hero calls $6.54

      River: ($15.97, 2 players) 7:heart:

      LP shows T:heart: T:spade: (Four of a Kind, Tens) (PreFlop 57%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
      Hero shows A:diamond: K:spade: (Full House, Aces full of Tens) (PreFlop 43%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
      LP wins $15.18
      What a stupid joke. Who could have fold AK on that board???!!! :s_evil:






      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP+1: $10.00
      LP: $16.21
      CO: $3.69
      BTN: $12.49
      SB: $15.91
      Hero (BB): $4.00
      UTG: $18.78
      UTG+1: $10.00
      MP: $9.37

      SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:spade:

      fold, fold, MP calls $0.10, fold, LP calls $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.50, 5 players) T:heart: 6:heart: A:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.50, fold

      Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) A:heart:
      Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

      River: ($4.50, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero bets $1.90, BTN calls $1.90

      BTN shows T:diamond: A:diamond: (Full House, Aces full of Tens) (PreFlop 48%, Flop 17%, Turn 98%)
      Hero shows 6:diamond: 6:spade: (Full House, Sixes full of Aces) (PreFlop 52%, Flop 83%, Turn 2%)
      BTN wins $7.89
      Ohhh yeahhh...Thank you stupid turn, you made my hand turn into sh1t. :s_evil:

      See what will be the results tomorrow. Today was just terrible.

      good luck!
    • RubyWesson
      RubyWesson
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 374
      Im having exactly same problem, im going to try and switch back to BSS, i did bad there but your not as commited to a pot as much as MSS
    • Kuijp
      Kuijp
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.06.2009 Posts: 16
      Since when is calling preflop a part of MSS? there's your problem i think
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      OMG... I played today for a couple of hours on 888poker and saw some crazy hands. :s_cool:

    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      After the ups and downs from the begining I continued to play MSS in the last week. I played almost 5.500 hands. I know, it's not much.
      Here is the graph:



      Hope it will continue this way.

      Good luck!
    • bela2222
      bela2222
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.08.2010 Posts: 115
      Pretty nice graphicon, good luck bud :)
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      Originally posted by bela2222
      Pretty nice graphicon, good luck bud :)
      Thank you!
      Good luckt to you too!



      Yesterday I finally got lucky (very lucky) in one hand:

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Porneşte mâna

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $11.70
      SB (Hero):
      $3.85
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG1:
      $17.99
      UTG2:
      $4.34
      MP1:
      $2.98
      MP2:
      $6.00
      MP3:
      $17.86
      CO:
      $2.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 2.
      MP2 posts deadblind, UTG1 calls $0.10, UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.20, MP2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10, UTG1 calls $0.10.

      Flop: ($1) 2, T, A (5 players)
      Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75, UTG1 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $3.65, BB calls $2.90, MP1 calls $1.28.

      Turn: ($11.08) 2 (3 players)


      River: ($11.08) 9 (3 players)


      Final Pot: $11.08.
      Results follow:

      BB shows a flush, ace high(K J).
      Hero shows four of a kind, twos(2 2).
      MP1 shows a full-house, aces full of twos(A A).

      Hero wins with four of a kind, twos(2 2).

      It would have been so sick if on the river would have come Q :spade: .
      Lucky me for hitting quads on turn. ;)