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[NL2-NL10] Nl6 Fr Qq 19.07

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (CO): $6.00
      BTN: $5.82
      SB: $0.14
      BB: $11.54
      UTG: $6.00 (~2500)17/13/3(3B)/7(4B)
      UTG+1: $6.01
      MP: $16.67
      MP+1: $20.89
      LP: $1.29

      SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:heart:

      UTG raises to $0.24, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.05, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $1.86, Hero calls $0.81

      Flop: ($3.81, 2 players) 7:heart: Q:club: T:spade:
      UTG bets $3.81, Hero raises to $4.14, UTG calls $0.33

      Turn: ($12.09, 2 players) 9:club:

      River: ($12.09, 2 players) 4:spade:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: Q:heart: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
      UTG shows K:club: K:diamond: (One Pair, Kings)
      Hero wins $11.38


      I have few question...
      1. Do u think that I could have called his 4B?
      2. What about if he reraised me to:
      a. $2
      b. $2.5
      Would I be able to call his 4B?
      3. What range is 7% 4B?
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      First of all why do you even 3bet against UTG range who seems to be pretty nitty. I am not really big fan of it, rather just Call it and play postflop.

      1. Do u think that I could have called his 4B?

      No way. :) We are just shipping it rather than Calling.

      2. What about if he reraised me to:
      a. $2
      b. $2.5
      Would I be able to call his 4B?

      Doesn't matter, either it's $1,8 ; $2 ; $2,5. Pretty much the same for everything, if you 3bet this as well means you want to go broke, therefore just ship it.

      3. What range is 7% 4B?

      Most likely UTG range will be towards a very strong hand and not just 7%. :) At the best you get a flip against AK and that's even likely at the best.

      Best regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Originally posted by veriz
      First of all why do you even 3bet against UTG range who seems to be pretty nitty. I am not really big fan of it, rather just Call it and play postflop.
      wow... are u serious with that I shouldn't 3B player with stats 17/13?

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 66.895% 66.31% 00.59% 1001374848 8902278.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 33.105% 32.52% 00.59% 491072724 8902278.00 { 77+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }

      I know that with JJ it's a mistake but with QQ. This show me how much I have to learn.
      Of course I have to agree with u. Now I analyzed his play and I knew his betting habit. When he bet for 4xBB he's got JJ+, AQs+, AQo+.
      ok everything is fine when I'm IP but what to do if he bet 4xBB from CO&BTN for 4xBB and I'm holding AKs, AKo, QQ?
    • inlovewithamsterdam
      inlovewithamsterdam
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.07.2009 Posts: 671
      "wow... are u serious with that I shouldn't 3B player with stats 17/13?

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 66.895% 66.31% 00.59% 1001374848 8902278.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 33.105% 32.52% 00.59% 491072724 8902278.00 { 77+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }"


      You have to take into account that he won't be raising all his range (13% of hands) from UTG, he will almost certainly do it with the very top of that range, therefore 22+ or 77+ (depending on a player) and AJ+, which is 9% and 7% of all hands respectively.

      Plus, you can't just calculate your equity against his range and decide for a 3bet if you think you're ahead. You can't be sure you'll be able to get to showdown. The only way to make sure is to push pre-flop.
      Sometimes it's best to flat the raise, that being true especially against tight Early Position raisers when we're holding AK or QQ.

      That's my 5 cents, feel welcome to point out mistakes in my thinking.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      It's not only that we can't do that. But we just making worse hands to fold and better ones to continue. :) And your IP raise is a bit high as well, wouldn't be surprised that if he folds there AK/JJ.