Huge Ipoker Bot Ring

    • w34z3l
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      My theory is that while some sites have the occasional bot, micro stakes nlhe at ipoker is absolutely infested.

      The bots often seem to have a number in their name, usually somewhere between 1-100 and follow the format name91 or name82name. They are at the tables constantly (huge sessions) and a comparison of their PTR graphs shows similar winrates and swings. It seems a large amount of the bots have been running specifically since May this year. It seems if you join any 2nl or 5nl table (haven't scouted 10nl yet) you will run into at least 2 of these guys on average.

      Log of my observations to date -

      1 I sit down at a 2nl table, I usually play higher but want to try out a new aggressive strategy. I notice I am being 3bet a lot in late position battles and start throwing in light 4bets. The consistency with which several players are 3bet/folding (with exactly the same size 3bet)is alarming. Easy game.

      2 I notice that my 3bets are being 4bet to exactly the same size by the same group of players (round about 2.5x). I'm sitting deep so I begin 5bet bluffing small. Once again the consistency with which people are 4bet/folding in late position battles is alarming. In my experience 4bet bluffs are rare at 2nl, and I've never seen such relentless 4bet/folding especially not to exactly the same size with 100% frequency by quite a large group of players.

      3 It becomes apparent that these players have an extremely tight 4bet/call range presumably looking something like KK+, AK. I get glimpses of 3bet-bluff range which includes hands like Q4s and presumably other suited hi-cards. Bots seem to generally be fireing off a cbet bluff in 3bet pots and giving up on hands below a certain strength. In single raised pots bots seem to be sometimes taking check/call lines on flop or turn with made hands such as TPGK.

      4 I commence relentlessly 3betting/4betting every single bot I can find with any 2. The light 3/4/bets happen any time 2 of BU,SB,BB (i.e late position battles) are involved. Bot 4bets from CO,UTG,MP always seem to be value range that is getting reshipped so I 3bet/fold vs these positions. Mmm, profit.

      5 I notice that my BU opens are no longer being 3bet so light. What irks me is that NONE of the bots seem to be 3betting me light all of a sudden, not just the ones with history vs me. I notice my CO opens are now being 3bet light instead. I begin 4betting relentlessly vs these and making profit.
      As for my BU opens it seems they are now only being 3bet with premiums. Bot players begin rarely 3betting and then 5bet shoving with a very high %. As you can imagine 4betting with 100% frequency vs a premium 3bet-value range is suicide. (Another telltale pattern these bots have; even when sitting over 200bb deep, 5bet is ALWAYS an allin)

      6 At least....I assumed I was only being 5bet shoved on with premiums. Earlier today I caught a glimpse of that 5bet shoving range and now it apparently includes things like 99 and AQ. The complete range could easily be something like 77+,AJo+. Yet I'm convinced that initially I was only being 5bet with KK,AA so some serious adjusting has been taking place. The really suspicious thing seems to be that every single player I suspect of being a bot is adjusting in the same way at the same time. I might not play against one player at all who I presume to be a bot (name follows pattern); yet rather than that bot starting at level 1 vs me, it immediately starts playing vs me with a wide 5bet range.

      This suggests to me that not only are these bots from the same source, but they are making decisions based on statistics stored in a centralised database. What I initially assumed were highly exploitable drones who 3bet/fold with a ridiculously high %, are apparently FAR more sophisticated.

      I'm convinced if I continue to take observations I can continue exploiting these bots in the long-term. However, it certainly isn't easier than playing vs a random 2nl donk. And just because they are beatable does that really mean it's fair? The real fish are likely being crushed by these bots; and unless the site specifically allows bots, the bottom line is that it is cheating.

      After a quick google search I already came across one site offering an ipoker bot for sale, going under the name ipokerrobot. It could well be these bots are from here, although I have nothing to back this up with. I've never seen a bot infestation this bad at any network. As I said, I've run across the occasional player I suspect to be a bot......but what I've seen so far at ipoker, is ridiculous.

      I have a suspicion that ipoker know they are bot infested, but don't care. After all, bots are GREAT at generating rake. I'd love to be proven wrong here; but.....well......join the microstakes ipoker tables and you will see.
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    • extpan
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      you can buy pokerbot that work on igaming software for 100$ and many people use it to clear deposit bonus on microtstake and micro sng so this is nothing new
    • fruktpuff
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      Hi, w34z3l

      I would suggest you contact the site you are playing at through their Customer Service.

      Preferably with screennames of the suspected bots and clearly stating that this may be much larger.

      Possibly including a link to where you found a bot being sold aswell of course.
      Give them as much as you can.

      Keep us updated on how it turns out.

      Regards,
      Richard
    • w34z3l
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      I agree that bots are nothing new, I've come across suspected bots before.

      However, the bot : human ratio at ipoker microstakes borders on obscenity, and it makes you wonder what exactly ipoker are doing about it.

      These bots also seem more sophisticated than ones I have uncovered in the past.
    • pleno1
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      just min 4b every hand ldo :)
    • Vygantas82
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      the most funny thing is that bots on ipoker now is even on omaha and s & g's lol. on cake, merge, ipoker there are tons of bots, and 4 a very long time now those networks seems to do nothing to avoid them.
    • extpan
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      mail that i receive few days before (i will remove link to buy bot):

      "This is probably me best poker tip of all. After playing online poker semi-professionally for more than 8 years, I have come to the conclusion that the best course of action for a new player who wants to be successful is the following:

      1. Clear the signup bonus in low stakes NL cash games, even by breaking even in play you will build your bankroll with the deposit bonus that you clear.

      2. After clearing the bonus, play large-field multi-table tournaments. Especially look for fields of 300-1200 players, but also play the "guaranteed" events if it looks like the number of entries will fall short of what they need for the guaranteed amount for the prize pool.

      Now, the problem with this of course, is time. Clearing the deposit bonuses requires a full time effort for at least six weeks per poker room. Once you start playing tournaments, it is at least 5 or 6 hours of play just to get to the final table for each tournament. The answer to both these problems is to use a good poker bot. I have found a great one.

      While poker bots are not technically allowed at poker rooms, the ones that this poker bot works at look the other way and tolerate them. For example, Bodog and Cake Poker (both of whom still allow USA players) have $1500 in signup bonuses available between them. The bot plays poker for you while you are away from the PC. All it has to do is break even to bag the bonuses as profit. This bot comes ready to play out of the box as a solid tight-aggressive player who will do better than break even at stakes as high as NL25. There is a free demo available, so try it for yourself and see.

      Then there are the tournaments. The poker bot I recommend has a free tournament profile available that can play the first 4-5 boring hours of a tournament for you and actually build you a big stack. I have done it many times! You can take over when in the money yourself, or even let the bot play the whole thing out if you fall asleep. The link below is to a graph from using the bot to play entire tournaments, showing the results over 68 tournaments played:

      http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g379/kwengert/1week.jpg

      As you can see the bot has return over $1200 in profit, and those are all low buy-in events under $20. Keep in mind that this is from the bot playing the entire tournament - I usually do even better by taking over on the final table myself.

      Anyway, that is all there is to it. Download the free trial of the poker bot software, play with it for 200 free hands, then buy a license if you like it. Then have it clear thousands of dollars in signup bonuses for you at the various poker rooms it supports, and then use that bankroll to have it play tournaments for you. Take over on the final table yourself if you like. Here is the link to the poker bot site:
      *******(link removed)

      ...and keep it quiet please. Good luck!
      "
    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by pleno1
      just min 4b every hand ldo :)
      Yeah, if you read the post you will see that the circle of bots is widening it's 5bet range in response.

      Check out the 2nl tables at ipoker if you are bored, you will see what I mean.

      Min 4betting worked a treat for several hours, but to have a long term edge it seems you have to continually adjust and stay one level ahead of the circle of bots perception of you.

      I've had to switch back to only 4betting premiums for the time being to trap the wider 5bet range.
    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Originally posted by Vygantas82
      the most funny thing is that bots on ipoker now is even on omaha and s & g's lol. on cake, merge, ipoker there are tons of bots, and 4 a very long time now those networks seems to do nothing to avoid them.
      If this is true then get over to the PLO tables PLO bots must be HUGELY exploitable
    • pleno1
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      Lol, I was only joking, but pretty funny if true.
    • Wacko118
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      i know a few suspected bots on the ipoker network to, at nl10. if you PTR them the graph always looks the same and the number of hands played is insane. They do 3 bet far too often.
      But they are a pain specially as play is very advanced for nl10.
    • sismis
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      Just play flop with them. There is no way they can play good poker deepstacked.
    • Vygantas82
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      well at the moment there is not only omaha (plo8 and plo) but also online black jack, some other casinos bots. the most funny is that some bot programmers gives free trials. they work on smaller rooms as i had mentioned cake, ipoker, merge bodog. i dont use them myself and i dont advertise them but i think its good to know ur enemy. i encourage u dont use them, especially those in torrents, u will probably end with hacked poker account and lost money.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      some other casinos bots


      Those bot programers are smart if they are trying to sell a roullete bot :)
    • thazar
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      Poker bots are completely against the rules of any poker room and anyone found playing with them will have their account closed and their balanced locked/confiscated

      PokerStrategy.com is strongly against the use of bots as well and posts judged to be promoting them will be edited accordingly.

      thank you for your understanding

      Thazar
    • amplifyd
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      lol they are still gnna suck and once you figure it out - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :f_biggrin:

      I remember when I played bots on ipoker HU and they were so exploitable it was funny.
    • roopopper
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      ok I admit i'm a bot please dont stop me I love my lifestyle!!! :P

      Roo


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPgwxdNQ23A
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      don't know if this should be another thread - how do you think if bots will be so advanced like chess programs who can compete against top pros?
      Bots can quicly look at all the needed stats and act accordingly. For human its much harder to do that (to combine all stats information and act according to it on a short time given to act).

      On the other hand - human can vary his playing style to make stats not so real. But the bot can vary his style as well.
    • furculision
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      holy shit,im moving to ipoker
    • conall88
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      what do they normally do with confiscated cash? especially that which cannot be reimbursed to players ?