Multi tabling

    • LoOkzor
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      So I've decided after doing 1 table for a while and winning that I want to multi table now. Nothing big, watching my BR and staying at the 0.01/0.02.

      I'm wondering how you're supposed to keep memory of what every player is like over a period with so much action going on in 3 tables.

      9 players per table each and some coming and going. I can remember those who I either won big with, or I see made big mistakes, but with so much to take in it's easy to let slip on some tells that others giving subtly.

      Any tips for this?

      Or are low levels like this so easy to beat with ABC poker that I shouldn't really have to do anything out of the ordinary to win? Just play the right hands in the right positions, and exploit those who do have clear leaks?

      Thanks for any reply :)
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    • Wriggers
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      Not much adaptation is needed at NL2 :) But the main tool we can use to keep track of everything is tracking software. If we use the HUD on them we can have the stats of every player at the table and use them to categorise the players at the table. We can also take notes during any hand we see that is worth taking note of.

      Examples of such tracking software is Hold 'Em Manager, Pokertracker, and Pokerstrategy's Elephant software.
    • LoOkzor
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      Yeah I've got the tracking software, though I can barely understand half of it lol. So far I've got two days tracked, and everything is green with currently an average of a whooping 0.98 cents per hour.

      Slave rate, hah.
    • Gerovit
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      hmmm ?(

      I suggest watching a loooot of videos before you start your quest
    • Maniatrix
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      98 cents an hour. You are running good considering how few tables you play. That is half a buyin per hour.
    • cpers
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      think multitab is like masturbating. just ignore the other player and wait for the good card. and see if you can win with it or not. of course taking notes would be good.
    • IngridN
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      Originally posted by LoOkzor
      Yeah I've got the tracking software, though I can barely understand half of it lol. So far I've got two days tracked, and everything is green with currently an average of a whooping 0.98 cents per hour.

      Slave rate, hah.
      Anything we can help you with regarding your tracking software LoOkzor?
      For a starter, which tracking software do you use?

      Ingrid
    • LoOkzor
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      I currently use Poker Tracker 3, and play on Party Poker.

      @Gerovit

      What quest? To me it seems I'm taking a rather slow route compared to what others would take.

      I've got a BR of 80, playing NL2 and have been playing a single table for a while. I've only moved up to 3 tables at a time, and though I probably haven't played enough days or hands to know whether I can win playing this way, so far it's all positive.

      I've watched quite a few videos, have read Dan harrington on cash games volume I, followed the articles I can read on this website. Read the articles on PKR and other such websites. And if you notice, I've been a lurker since 2008.

      Don't plan on moving up a level until I reach 100-150 BR.
    • Gerovit
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      Originally posted by LoOkzor
      I currently use Poker Tracker 3, and play on Party Poker.

      @Gerovit

      What quest? To me it seems I'm taking a rather slow route compared to what others would take.

      I've got a BR of 80, playing NL2 and have been playing a single table for a while. I've only moved up to 3 tables at a time, and though I probably haven't played enough days or hands to know whether I can win playing this way, so far it's all positive.

      I've watched quite a few videos, have read Dan harrington on cash games volume I, followed the articles I can read on this website. Read the articles on PKR and other such websites. And if you notice, I've been a lurker since 2008.

      Don't plan on moving up a level until I reach 100-150 BR.
      You have videos about holdem manager i suggested you should see them (if ofcourse you are using hem)
    • LoOkzor
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      I'm using Poker Tracker, and your post was very general. You indicated that I should watch a lot of videos (which I am), but did not state for what I should watch a lot of videos.

      I'll look into videos about explaining several software (thanks for the tip), but need more of a hint next time :D
    • ulairiiii
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      holdem manager + table ninja to feel the power ;)
    • hackbinder
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      think multitab is like masturbating. just ignore the other player and wait for the good card. and see if you can win with it or not. of course taking notes would be good.


      Uh... I would love a further explanation about how these things are similar!

      ?(

      Is this a new technique? Have I been doing it wrong this whole time?

      Can you please post your masturbation notes?

      - limp MP shove wet board
      - squeeze 100%


      Maybe a PS instructional video?

      :D

      Sorry... Couldn't resist.
    • keoghh
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      Read the articles, mainly silver ones when you get to them, and they explain alot about HUD stats and how to interperet them. :)
    • LoOkzor
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      How would I do that if for example I've already deposited at almost all major poker rooms in the past 2 years? I use to deposit blindly and just play for the fun.

      I can happily say I was a long-term roulette winner, even though I know the house always wins, I was fortunate to go on several months run with my naive attitude.

      I deposited 1.25k into 10 different casinos, and opted to earn 10 pounds at each casino for the day using the martingale system. At the end of roughly 2-3 months, I had consistently won without re-depositing, but I went ahead and lost 125 pounds at one casino and felt that it could happen to all the other casinos in the blink of an eye, and quickly left as a winner :D

      This just means that coupled with playing poker, I've pretty much played at every casino at one point or another etc... Can I still use the bonus when depositing again?
    • purplefizz
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      i could be wrong but i think first deposit bonus for poker is different from a casino. so you should still be able to use some bonus codes.

      however, i dont think you can track a poker account to PokerStrategy.com anymore if you had a previous casino account there. it would be best to check the different websites for further information.
    • ulairiiii
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      yeap purple is right
    • pzhon
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      As you get more experience, you will be able to read more situations at a glance, and you can recognize times when you want to take notes (mentally or in the poker client) more easily. I take notes on how people played while playing 9 tables at once, and I know some people take notes while 16-tabling.

      It is more important to take notes on players with whom you might play a lot of (large) pots than tighter players, particularly when you should adjust your standard plays.

      Software like PT3 can create a heads-up-display (HUD) which helps a lot. They can display each player's VPIP and PFR stats so that you can recognize a tight passive player or a maniac without paying close attention to the table. It is critical to adjust to these values, and you don't need to take notes which are redundant with the stats in your HUD. In one recent game, I was playing with someone who was massively multitabling and not adjusting. He failed to capitalize on two very generous players at some of our tables who were running 70/3 and 100/94. The other multitabler kept folding when the 100/94 player raised, while I isolated the maniac with anything half-decent and cleaned him out. The 70/3 player would not fold to steal raises or continuation bets according to my HUD, and I noted that he folded very often on the turn, but was capable of semibluffing or bluffing postflop.

      Most beginners should concentrate on learning. Multitabling sometimes gives you more experience, and multitabling is a skill to practice. However, many players don't think through situations carefully while multitabling, and the result is both worse play (sometimes losing play) and slower progress. So, be careful that you don't multitable too much.

      If you want to ease into multitabling more, you might want to watch an extra table while you play normally. Try to follow the action on the extra table, try to put them on ranges of hands, and take notes.
    • LoOkzor
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      Thanks for the tip, though the stats are still foreign to me, looks like today I'm going to make an effort to get the basics down on using the software and what stats are important for getting good information on a player.

      Do you suggest any videos for Poker Tracker that explain how the HUD is best setup and explain what everything means and what you need to be looking at?
    • nathanrenard
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      Well first thing i do 24 tables and i think a software to aid you playing that many tables is a must. There are some options on the market but you can also write your own script for it.

      I Started Multi-Tabling with just 4 tables, and started increasing 2 a week for a while now. Stomped on 16 because i used to play on Full Tilt. Then moved to Stars and gave 24 a shot.

      As pzhon said, i take notes. Although it is hard to type them (you actually need to have notes pretty covered up, because you dont have that much time to write/read them).

      I do an avarage of 1,4k hands per hour what means that i am doing about ~24 hands per minute (w00t!).

      My tips would be:
      * Play only situations you can control: Open-raising 75s from mp1 can be tricky to see all the action.
      * Make notes, a lot of them: Also important, notes can be simple, they need to be simple, dont bother with extra details you wont read. And get used to type the minimum as possible.
      * Take your time: If you do 4 tables, 9 tables. Dont all of the sudden jump to the max. It is hard and can EASILY lend you to tilt more. You get a couple of AA x AA and KK x A7o suckouts in a row, so as usual, your mindset needs to be very good to handle that many situations in a while.
      * Find your comfort table positioning: Stacked? Tiled? Cascade? What situation you preferer your tables to be?
    • LoOkzor
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      I've been using tiled, though I've found if I do 3 or 4 tables I have to re-adjust the players details and have to place the HUD over where their cards would show at a show down so that it doesn't cover up their stacks, or overlaps onto the table covering up the cards.

      Which means I may tried something like stacked or cascading and just evaluate each situation as the window pops up.

      What is everyone else's experience with using a HUD and tiled? Seems a bit small to properly follow the action, and I am getting the feeling that just dealing with it as it pops up as a bigger window might help better.
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