[NL20-NL50] fold KK pre-flop and slow played flop nut overbet river.

    • nebaromani
      nebaromani
      Silver
      Joined: 01.04.2011 Posts: 4
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $28.30
      CO:
      $10.00
      BU:
      $19.30
      SB (Hero):
      $46.03
      BB:
      $22.16
      UTG2:
      $24.65
      MP1:
      $25.35
      MP2:
      $20.43


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
      5 folds, BU raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB raises to $3.75, BU raises to $7.00, Hero folds, BB raises to $22.41, BU calls $12.30.

      Flop: ($43.71) T, K, 3 (2 players)


      Turn: ($43.71) 5 (2 players)


      River: ($43.71) 3 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $43.71.
      Results follow:

      BU shows two pairs, aces and threes(A A).
      BB shows two pairs, queens and threes(Q Q).

      BU wins with two pairs, aces and threes(A A).

      Is it ok to fold KK in this situation PF, because there's so many min-raising going on that I'm almost certain at least one of them has AA

      and second question:

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2:
      $25.91
      MP1 (Hero):
      $31.04
      MP2:
      $25.35
      MP3:
      $18.60
      CO:
      $25.60
      BU:
      $29.83
      SB:
      $26.95
      BB:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, Q.
      UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BU calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($1.85) T, K, 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($1.85) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.25, BU calls $1.25.

      River: ($4.35) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.50, BU raises to $11.00, Hero calls $5.50.

      Final Pot: $26.35.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a flush, ace high(4 Q).
      Hero shows a straight, ace high(J Q).

      BU wins with a flush, ace high(4 Q).




      Is this line of play OK? I thought he could be min-raising on the river with flushes, rivered two pair (like AT or so) and also stupidly slow played sets..
  • 6 replies
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      bet flop bet turn, or bet flop/check raise turn in hand 2
    • purplefizz
      purplefizz
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      Joined: 12.03.2008 Posts: 4,508
      Hi there nebaromani,

      This thread was created in the Discussion Forums, but it should rightfully belong in the hand evaluation forums. (you will see it as a subforum above). I will move it there now. Just want to flag that so you will create it in the proper section next time and so that our awesome hand judges can see it and comment on it :)

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    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.11.2008 Posts: 674
      If you fold KK preflop, don't tell anyone in the chat... Unlike 3barrelling big on a missed board, folding KK pre is not something you want people to know you can do.

      And, I wouldn't fold KK pre here unless you have a large sample of your opponents being nits.
    • nebaromani
      nebaromani
      Silver
      Joined: 01.04.2011 Posts: 4
      you wouldn't fold KK even if there's been so many min-raising like in this hand? Yeah, with telling that in the chat, just wanted to highlight what a cooler this hand was. Stats told me that these weren't the loosest guy's at the table, but sample wasn't big. in fact it was just 60-70 hands. But in this case I think it's just obvious that someone has bullets.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      1- seems like one of them have aces, so folding is fine
      2- c-bet flop. Turn and river are fine
    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.11.2008 Posts: 674
      you wouldn't fold KK even if there's been so many min-raising like in this hand?


      I would have a hard time without stats, then again I don't play without a hud. Would hate folding KK against maniacs or lags.