[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH - Playing JJ

    • Tunatic
      Tunatic
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      Joined: 13.03.2011 Posts: 246
      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $10.00
      SB:
      $15.14
      BB:
      $10.32
      MP2:
      $10.96
      MP3 (Hero):
      $10.27
      CO:
      $7.47


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, J.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.95, CO folds.

      Flop: ($2.7) 9, 4, 3 (2 players)
      BB bets $1.92, Hero calls $1.92.

      Turn: ($6.54) Q (2 players)
      BB bets $3.11, Hero raises to $7.15(All-In), BB folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $9.65.

      Alright, this is my last hand that I am posting up here tonight before going to sleep. No need to tell me I played it stupid, the reason is I am almost falling asleep on the table right now, and 4-tabling was not the easiest thing for me in the last couple of hands lol.

      Anyways. Pre-flop (I'm UTG) I raise to $0.25, which I think is pretty normal to do with JJ. BB raises to $1.20. I was not sure whether I should fold here and use the 'Call 20' rule, but seeing I was in position I just made a stupid call. I have an overpair after the flop, and he bets 3/4 of the pot. That got me thinking he has an even higher PP than me, which I could have thought about pre-flop already and just fold JJ. Well, I didn't, and kept on going to see the turn. Turn shows Qc, and this time he only bets 1/2 of the pot. I spent my whole time bank thinking here, and looking at his bets I came to a conclusion that this guy was just trying to take the pot away.

      What the hell was he holding? I'm thinking the most probable hand is AK? Anyways, am I right that playing that hand was the worst way of playing it (even though I got lucky in the end).
  • 5 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Anyways, am I right that playing that hand was the worst way of playing it (even though I got lucky in the end).
      - can´t really say you played it bad if he folded and you took down really big pot
      Since he would likely not get all-in pf TT I think call pf is fine.
      You can raise flop and get all-in, but better is let him to barrel turn and then you can get all-in none K and A turn
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      1# About pre flop bet sizing here is very helpful video I really hope you are going to watch it!
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/14562/
      pre flop from your position it should be 4bb .

      2# http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/psychology/1900/1/
      it's very theoretical but atleast you will understand why playing when you are sleepy can very damage your bankroll.

      About hand:

      I think flop should be fold if you don't have stats to justify call.
    • Tunatic
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      Joined: 13.03.2011 Posts: 246
      Thanks a lot, both of you.
    • esuohdla
      esuohdla
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      Joined: 08.05.2011 Posts: 411
      Originally posted by sausage646
      About hand:

      I think flop should be fold if you don't have stats to justify call.
      You really think so? He could have so many hands. On average id put him on 99+ AJs+,, AQo+ since that seems to be a roughly standard range to 3bet someone from that early position with. On that flop we cant reduce his range much, since im fairly sure he would cbet 100% of it, so equity wise:

      26,855,295 games 5.440 secs 4,936,635 games/sec

      Board: 9d 4s 3c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 46.771% 45.97% 00.81% 12344587 216764.50 { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }
      Hand 1: 53.229% 52.43% 00.81% 14079218 216767.00 { JJ }

      With that id find it perfectly fine to call flop, and raising it would also be acceptable, but just what I think
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      I meant "It should be fold PRE flop", if you have no stats on oponent... i am sorry for mistake.
      Yes, if you call pre flop you will have to call at least once here anyway..




      UNKNOWNS 3 betting range should be something like this.. like TT+ and AK+

      JdJc - 43.23 %
      TT+,AKs,AKo - 56.77 %

      Why should someone 3 bet whit hands like Aj or AQ what do you hope opponent will call you AT or AJ ? Most likely isolating against better hands. So I would fold pre flop since we don't have any stats on him.