Video Discussion - Representing Quads

    • DanielUK
      DanielUK
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      Tom durrrr Dwan is well known for his creative plays and big bluffs, but getting his opponenet to fold an ace on a 9AJJJ board is going to be tough at the best of times. In this clip, he does just that.

      durrrr's all-in bet of twice the pot on the river obviously gives JC a decision. Would durrrr over-shove the river here with an ace? Is he getting the right price to call for a chop? How many times does your opponent bluff in this spot?

      Chat with other PokerStrategists and let us know what you think here.





  • 16 replies
    • keoghh
      keoghh
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      Such a sick bluff, gotta have some balls to do tht. :)
    • Saruniks
      Saruniks
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      standart play on NL4 nowadays
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Originally posted by Saruniks
      standart play on NL4 nowadays
      :)
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      If Dawn had an J then the name of this video would be "Sick fold" =)

      There are some combinations of J8+ in Dwan's range, so as played it's not so improbable that he has quads.
    • pokerprons
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      Originally posted by Saruniks
      standart play on NL4 nowadays
      Except ur gonna get called every time by the guy holding the ace.
    • bradomurder
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      I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.

      Durrrs the man. It was pretty much a snapfold too,
    • Saruniks
      Saruniks
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      Originally posted by pokerprons
      Originally posted by Saruniks
      standart play on NL4 nowadays
      Except ur gonna get called every time by the guy holding the ace.

      It seems you played NL4 long ago,

      you will get called by K high or so.

      If player is above average, he will call even with Q high for split.
    • MathhNes
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      There is one and only one reason why i think it is probably bad; it is Tom Dwan who does it (image). But then again, they shouldnt even assume that tom dwan would do that without having A or J (Ace would be to get villain off of the split). What i like about his play a lot; is the fact that he is able to rep the J SO credibly the way he played.
    • MatejM47
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      Well i actually think the play is pretty good considering how good he can rep a J since he would play it like that 99% of the time.

      On the other hand JC has to think his calling for a chop most of the time so he has to be right almost half the time.
    • MathhNes
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Well i actually think the play is pretty good considering how good he can rep a J since he would play it like that 99% of the time.

      On the other hand JC has to think his calling for a chop most of the time so he has to be right almost half the time.
      Wrong! He is calling 100.000 to win half which is 25.000. Therefore he has to be right 100k/125k= 80%, (If he never wins the whole pot when calling)
    • thazar
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      That's just such a sick sick bluff
    • Steelbrewer
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      Tony G who had case J must be thinking "WTF is going on".
    • Gabinr1
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      Originally posted by Steelbrewer
      Tony G who had case J must be thinking "WTF is going on".
      True, haha. He knew what happened before seeing the video :)
    • Zhusy
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      God the female commentator is annoying.

      Anyways to the hand.

      In my opinion considering Dwans image and the probability of him having a J there makes a call and a fold even good.

      How the hand played off, the guy with the A made a "brilliant" check to induce a bluff, over-shoveing on the river was a standard play for durrr when someone checks to him, I mean who would check an A on that board? Except someone who wants a bet/shove. So considering the whole play the fold was bad and I would definitely call.
    • DailyDollarPro
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      Originally posted by bradomurder
      I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.
      I dont think he ever intended to get him off an ace. He is trying to fold out a 9 or anything 10,10 - KK
    • bradomurder
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      Originally posted by DailyDollarPro
      Originally posted by bradomurder
      I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.
      I dont think he ever intended to get him off an ace. He is trying to fold out a 9 or anything 10,10 - KK
      Maybe partly true but I's say it was more to fold out the A, I think a smaller bet would be much better if he thinks JC could have 9s and TT too, so he can rep QQ and KK too.

      Durrrs reaction on the flop and the fact that he didn't cbet on that board also points to him thinking JC has the ace.

      I reckon he played him for a fool anyway.