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[NL20-NL50] SH over pairs in 3 bet pots - flop play

    • gonepoker
      Joined: 15.05.2009 Posts: 439
      These two hands probably are standard but when I loose I like when you check it out anyway :D .

      #1 - opponent looks like loose aggresive VPIP 37, PFR 28, 48 hands.
      My 3bet was small because of miss-click but he opened 4x and there was 3 loose passives to act so it's probably not that bad.
      On the flop his range could be very wide - air, draws, overpairs, sets and I push.

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.40 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from

      UTG ($35.40)
      Hero (MP) ($39.80)
      CO ($34.22)
      Button ($70.73)
      SB ($26.38)
      BB ($29.03)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
      UTG bets $1.60, Hero raises $4, 4 folds, UTG calls $2.40

      Flop: ($8.60) 8, 3, 9 (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $6.20, UTG raises $12.80, Hero raises $29.60 (All-In), UTG calls $18.60 (All-In)

      Turn: ($71.40) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: ($71.40) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $71.40

      #2 - that's tough. Opponent is TAG 23/17, fold to 3b 67% (27), 4b 0%, flop AF 3.8, agg freq 38%,fold to cbet 71%. 1.1k hands.

      I think his range when he minr could be bluffs (could try to get me fold of AK, but actually if he bluffs, what hand he could have?), AQ, TT, QQ, KK.
      If I am wrong about AQ:
      QQ,TT,KK 59,823%
      AA 50,177%
      So seems fine?

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from

      Button ($29.80)
      Hero (SB) ($24.37)
      BB ($17.20)
      UTG ($32.43)
      MP ($24.67)
      CO ($17.52)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
      1 fold, MP bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60, Button calls $0.60, Hero raises $3.20, 1 fold, MP calls $2.70, 2 folds

      Flop: ($8) 7, 10, Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $4, MP raises $8, Hero raises $16.97, MP calls $12.97

      Turn: ($49.94) J (2 players)

      River: ($49.94) 9 (2 players)

      Total pot: $49.94
  • 2 replies
    • awishformore
      Joined: 16.06.2007 Posts: 922
      In the first hand, the problem comes down to your small 3betting size. He does get really good implied odds. If he raises the flop a lot, it's nice as played. However, the average player of this type will either have you crushed or have a lot of equity against your range. I don't think he will ever show up with smaller overpairs or air. So as (mis)played, I would probably make a weak fold.

      Second hand is fine, though I would cbet a bit bigger.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      1) seems standard. You can call flop to keep in his bluffs and then shove any turn although getting it all-in seems also fine
      2) His hand looks a lot like set, but some players would also slowplay pf KK so I dot see getting away aces that spot