[NL20-NL50] NL20 SH QQ vs UTG

    • SPeedFANat1c
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      NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
      SB ($15.45)
      BB ($19.58)
      UTG ($19.72)
      Hero ($28.19)
      CO ($17.48)
      BTN ($18.19)

      Dealt to Hero Q:heart: Q:diamond:

      UTG raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $28.19 (AI), UTG calls $16.12 (AI)

      36/17/7.8
      3bet 1.9
      176 hands

      I had a loose image at the table, so I raise him, and hope he will call. But he 4bets, and his 3bet value is very small, so I guess I had to respect his 4bet.

      I invest remaining 18.52 to win 37.76 pot, so I need 49% equity vs range QQ+,AK I have only 40%.

      So 3bet/fold the line should be in this hand.
  • 4 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      don´t see why you should 3-bet/fold especially in 6-handed game, when player might easily get all-in with JJ and AK. If I 3-bet for value I´d also shove over his 4-bet
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      6-handed game, when player might easily get all-in with JJ


      In my experience players rarely go allin with JJ. It should be maniac or player with LAG image preflop, but calling stations don't do that so often. Most of the time allins are QQ+, AK. And it does not look that this player is so aggresive preflop.

      And it looks for me that QQ are more rare than KK+, but maybe its just a selective memory, because against AA and KK we tend to remember coolers more than when we win agains weaker hand.

      So thats why I like to exclude JJ.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      ok, if you feel that he has there mostly KK+, then fold pf is fine, although playing more against aggressive players make 3-bet/folding QQ pf quite exploitable.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      The 3bet value is only 1.9 over 176 hands sample. If he is making bluffs or semibluffs, I think on this sample 3bet value should be higher. Its posible probably that he hasn't had many AK, QQ+ in such sample. But its also posible that he does only call a raise with QQ, AK and only 3bets with KK+. But 4bet is even stronger than 3bet, so even if he 3bets QQ+, AK, ok maybe JJ is also in his 3bet range, we cannot say that its very likely that JJ will be in his 4bet range, I think.