[NL2-NL10] NL10 KK - horrible play

    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $19.41
      UTG2:
      $10

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.102 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:heart: , K:club:
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to $0.30, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, BB folds, UTG2 raises to $2.90, Hero calls $1.90.

      Flop: ($5.90) J:club: , T:spade: , 4:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG2 bets $2.4, Hero raises to $7.60, UTG2 calls $4.70 (All-In), Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Turn: ($20.10) Q:diamond:
      River: ($20.10) 5:spade: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $20.10


      I really hate the way I played this hand. My gut was screaming AA! AA! He has AA! ... but I couldn't bring myself to fold to the 4bet.

      What do the judges think? If everything in your mind is pointing to aces, can you find a fold? Even (especially) without a statistical read to back it up?

      In the end I settled for some horrific call4bet, shove-on-overpair line. This hand could be in a guide of how not to go broke with KK.
  • 5 replies
    • Skruve04
      Skruve04
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.10.2009 Posts: 237
      why didn't you push all in preflop after his rerais???
      If you had AA or KK just push and let variance choose who won.
      That is good play... He possibly rerais AA AK KK QQ.
      He can lost even with his AA if you hit trips..
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      I understand most consider it standard to shove KK in every situation. I do however disagree that KK should be an auto-shove hand under every circumstance. I havn't seen many big-stack QQ shoves, at least not on NL10 Pokerstars lately.

      Anyone can make a mistake, but it takes a real idiot to repeat it.


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $32.27
      CO:
      $32.35
      Hero:
      $30.24

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.102 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K:spade: , K:club:
      UTG1 raises to $0.75, 4 folds, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.00, 2 folds, UTG1 raises to $7.25, CO folds, Hero calls $4.25.

      Flop: ($15.60) 9:spade: , 7:spade: , 7:club: (2 players)
      UTG1 checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($15.60) K:heart: (2 players)




      I got lost again and was torn between shoving and folding. When presented with two targets it is not uncommon to miss them both and hit the middle - thus the call.

      Fortunately UTG1 was scared / slowplaying / who knows what, and a king turn cost him a stack.
    • Skruve04
      Skruve04
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.10.2009 Posts: 237
      there you go...
      if you didn't push preflop..
      OP could overplay on flop, turn or even river.
      And you will fold and lost third or half of your stack..
      Maybe then better insta fold when someone rerais your KK?? :D LOL


      don't play scared money.

      with QQ you could easy fold if villains is tight reg.
      Shove only against maniacs and other donks kind.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Jaissica,

      Why I don't like to flat here is that we don't have position. With position we of course might even slowplay. But now again what kind of hand is going to pay us anyways postflop? :D Also we don't want to see any overcards. Plus if he wants to go broke then why not? Just ship it. :)

      Best regards.
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      I think especially in the second hand we can find a fold to the 4bet. Villain is UTG as nitty 11-8, 1.0 AF over a not-insignificant hand read. He isn't shipping AK or QQ, especially not slightly deep (120 BB).

      The first one should have gone all in, probably, due to unknown villain.