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[NL20-NL50] Preflop queens

    • riskcore
      riskcore
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      Joined: 07.07.2011 Posts: 81
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $4.99
      Hero:
      $4.77

      0.02/0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.103 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:heart: , Q:club:
      UTG1 raises to $0.16, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.48, 4 folds, UTG1 raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1.12.

      Flop: ($3.26) Q:spade: , 6:diamond: , 3:diamond: (2 players)
      UTG1 bets $1.55, Hero raises to $3.17 (All-In), UTG1 calls $1.62.

      Turn: ($9.60) 6:heart:
      River: ($9.60) 9:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $9.60

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      UTG1 shows (Kh Kd)
      Hero shows a full-house, queens full of sixes (Qh Qc)

      Hero wins with a full-house, queens full of sixes (Qh Qc)


      When I was 4bet, I put his range on AKo/s+ and QQ+, Do I still have a correct call??
  • 8 replies
    • BigOVERBET
      BigOVERBET
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      Joined: 23.11.2010 Posts: 433
      18% is hes 3bet?
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      While I am guilty of making the same play, you never call a 4bet with queens here. You shove or fold.

      To call here you would have to be something like 350 BBs deep (to have playable odds on drawing with queens).
    • riskcore
      riskcore
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      Joined: 07.07.2011 Posts: 81
      thx a lot
    • Bierbaer
      Bierbaer
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      Joined: 27.05.2005 Posts: 7,989
      Originally posted by Jaissica
      While I am guilty of making the same play, you never call a 4bet with queens here. You shove or fold.

      To call here you would have to be something like 350 BBs deep (to have playable odds on drawing with queens).
      +1

      As for wether you should or should not get it in:
      You have to bring $4.29 for a total pot of $9.60.
      So you need 4.29/9.6 = 0.447 = 44.7% equity.


      If we assume his range is {QQ+,AK}, we have:

      Board:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    40.21%  38.35%   1.86% { QQ }
      MP3    59.79%  57.93%   1.86% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


      therefore it's a fold.
    • wazawanga
      wazawanga
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      Joined: 16.09.2009 Posts: 1,720
      lmao ... it's nl 4 , you don't 3bet then fold QQ this is fucking ridiculous
      you 3bet QQ for value because players here are so bad and call your 3bets with anything
      it is a very clear shove , if you don't know why then go ask on strategy forums why , you don't have to listen and respect everything that the handjudges tell you here
      if he is the ultimate nit then dont 3bet QQ here , just flat and play smaller pots
    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
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      Joined: 01.11.2008 Posts: 674
      What is his 4bet % compared to open raise EP %?
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      This is 9 handed, not 6, and players on NL2 can be bigger nits than those on NL50.

      villain's stats are fairly regular - slightly loose but over 150 hands it only takes a warm run of raising hands to push 15/12 to 21/18 - and there is no reason to believe he is shoving jacks or AQ, without which we do not have a profitable shove with queens.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      it comes to that if players would ever get all-in pf worse hands than QQ pf and answer to that is likely no (especially if player raise utg). So I´d prefer also folding to 4-bet, since you´re most of the times against KK/AA and sometimes AK (although I think players would mostly just call there with AK)