[NL2-NL10] [MSS SH] KK in multiway pot

    • viccini
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      BB: 77/25/2.6/25 in 116 hands
      CO: 23/24/2.8/19 in 34 hands

      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      viccini (UTG) ($4)
      CO ($27.19)
      BTN ($10)
      SB ($10.14)
      BB ($15.63)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) viccini is UTG K:diamond: K:club:
      viccini raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: 6:heart: J:diamond: J:heart: ($1.20, 4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, viccini bets $0.90, CO calls $0.90, SB folds, BB raises to $3.60, viccini :s_confused:

      How should I play against this raise?

      thx!
  • 8 replies
    • Tampaloeres81
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      Hi,

      Put him on a range and equilate :)
      Looking at his stats (and he gets a good price) Jx is in his range and I would also put in some FD's.
      Mostly I think youre crushed against Jx. So folding seems the best play 4-handed.

      Have you seen him c/r other hands (ie gets out of line)?

      T.
    • Gerv
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      Hey,

      If he doesn't get out of line you should give him a tight range ( can you please do that & equilate your equity?) otherwise I would give him a more optimistic range which includes some spazz & random backdoor/overcards bluffs ( once again one can do an equity analysis here)

      Looking forward!
    • viccini
      viccini
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      Originally posted by Tampaloeres81
      Hi,

      Have you seen him c/r other hands (ie gets out of line)?

      T.
      Unfortunately no... But I think most of the time he'll have Jx in a multiway pot. I called again and he had the J (J8o if I remember well). I definitely need to learn how to fold... :D
    • viccini
      viccini
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Hey,

      If he doesn't get out of line you should give him a tight range ( can you please do that & equilate your equity?) otherwise I would give him a more optimistic range which includes some spazz & random backdoor/overcards bluffs ( once again one can do an equity analysis here)

      Looking forward!
      Ok. I need 31% equity assuming CO will fold (I discounted 5% rake).

      According to Equilator:

      Board: 6hjdjh
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 31.009 % 31.006 % 0.006 % 68.988 % KdKc
      Player 2: 68.991 % 68.988 % 0.006 % 31.006 % 66, AhQh, AJs, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KhQh, KJs, KhTh, Kh9h, QJs, QhTh, Qh9h, J9s+, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 8h7h, 5h4h, 4h3h, 3h2h, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo


      ----------------------------------------



      Board: 6hjdjh
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 8.815 % 8.815 % 0.000 % 91.185 % KdKc
      Player 2: 91.185 % 91.185 % 0.000 % 8.815 % 66, AJs, KJs, QJs, J9s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo


      ----------------------------------------


      So I'm waaaay behind when he has the J and 66 only and break even when he has FDs too. Is it correct? Are the ranges ok?

      thx in advance!
    • Gerv
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      I have some questions:

      What makes you think he will raise 3:h2 versus you?

      What makes you think he will raise 100% of the times 66 versus you versus slowplaying?

      What makes you think he will raise an over+3rd nutflushdraw versus you (Q:hT) ?

      What you think CO's range is?
    • viccini
      viccini
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      I have some questions:

      What makes you think he will raise 3:h2 versus you?

      What makes you think he will raise 100% of the times 66 versus you versus slowplaying?

      What makes you think he will raise an over+3rd nutflushdraw versus you (Q:hT) ?

      What you think CO's range is?
      :f_ugly: I don't know... He's a bit agressive post flop but maybe it's more probable he'll just call me with monsters like 66 or with FDs and raise me only with Jx for value and protection... correct? :D

      thx!
    • BigOVERBET
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      I sometimes check the flop there and pot control. Many bad turns, but still pretty hard spot.
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by BigOVERBET
      I sometimes check the flop there and pot control. Many bad turns, but still pretty hard spot.
      Yeah mostly one can pull this off to get more information. Clearly we get a lot of FEQ ont his board

      Anyways I think we have to bet/fold here since I rarely see people check/raising hands worser than a combo draw & you are flipping against that

      So you are in a flipping/way behind situation :/

      - Gerv