[NL2-NL10] NL6 FR AKo 12.09

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $11.98
      UTG: $8.22
      UTG+1: $4.51
      MP: $6.96
      MP+1: $6.49
      Hero (LP): $6.94
      CO: $6.92
      BTN: $5.58
      SB: $6.00

      SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has A:spade: K:diamond:

      UTG calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, fold, MP+1 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.42, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.36, UTG+1 calls $0.36, fold

      Flop: ($1.41, 3 players) 6:spade: T:spade: K:spade:
      UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $4.09, Hero calls $4.09, fold

      Turn: ($9.59, 2 players) 8:club:

      River: ($9.59, 2 players) 6:club:

      UTG+1 shows T:club: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Tens) (Pre 27%, Flop 55%, Turn 73%)
      Hero shows A:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 73%, Flop 45%, Turn 27%)
      UTG+1 wins $9.03


      Flop: If my opponent were full stack and donk bet for full amount I would be inclined to make crying fold but because of not full stack I decided to call it... what do u think?
  • 15 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      Well, with the TP+nutFD I doubt that I am getting away either. He may do that easily even with worse Kx. Even against just 2pairs you are still getting great equity. Nothing much to do vs his stack.

      Best regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      I'm glad that you said that not much to do vs this stack... because I've had the worst session in my poker live. I lost -34.85$ so from Friday to Monday I lost almost -100$

      This is top 6 hands where I lost money from yesterday session:


      1. -7.49$ 88
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP: $7.49
      MP+1: $5.04
      LP: $6.26
      CO: $6.00
      BTN: $6.05
      SB: $7.41
      Hero (BB): $7.73
      UTG: $12.42
      UTG+1: $6.45

      SB posts SB $0.03, Hero posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has 8:heart: 8:spade:

      fold, fold, MP raises to $0.18, fold, LP calls $0.18, fold, BTN calls $0.18, fold, Hero calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.75, 4 players) 8:club: 9:heart: 6:club:
      Hero bets $0.70, MP raises to $1.90, fold, fold, Hero raises to $7.55, MP calls $5.41

      Turn: ($15.37, 2 players) 6:diamond:

      River: ($15.37, 2 players) Q:heart:

      MP shows Q:spade: Q:diamond: (Full House, Queens full of Sixes) (Pre 81%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows 8:heart: 8:spade: (Full House, Eights full of Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
      MP wins $14.47

      2. -6.98$ 88
      - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $11.34
      UTG+1: $19.35
      MP: $10.00
      MP+1: $10.00
      LP: $10.00
      CO: $13.67
      BTN: $10.48
      Hero (SB): $14.77
      BB: $6.98

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 8:diamond: 8:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.40

      Flop: ($1.00, 2 players) 3:club: 6:heart: 8:club:
      Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $14.27, BB calls $3.98

      Turn: ($13.96, 2 players) 7:club:

      River: ($13.96, 2 players) K:diamond:

      Hero shows 8:diamond: 8:heart: (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 52%, Flop 75%, Turn 23%)
      BB shows Q:club: A:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 48%, Flop 25%, Turn 77%)
      BB wins $13.27

      3. -5.11$ KJs
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG+1: $5.94
      Hero (MP): $8.53
      MP+1: $5.11
      LP: $6.86
      CO: $6.00
      BTN: $6.37
      SB: $5.53
      BB: $4.59
      UTG: $15.19

      SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has K:club: J:club:

      UTG calls $0.06, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, MP+1 calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T:heart: 2:club: 9:spade:
      Hero bets $0.50, MP+1 calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) Q:spade:
      Hero bets $1.45, MP+1 raises to $4.31, Hero calls $2.86

      River: ($10.37, 2 players) 2:spade:

      Hero shows K:club: J:club: (Straight, King High) (Pre 47%, Flop 17%, Turn 77%)
      MP+1 shows 9:heart: 9:diamond: (Full House, Nines full of Twos) (Pre 53%, Flop 83%, Turn 23%)
      MP+1 wins $9.76

      4. -4.51$ This thread
      5. -3.14$ NL10 FR AKo 12.09
      6. - 2.08$ KK
      - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $4.76
      Hero (SB): $6.00
      BB: $2.40
      UTG: $2.08
      UTG+1: $3.52
      MP: $3.32
      MP+1: $8.23
      LP: $5.32
      CO: $3.90

      Hero posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has K:spade: K:club:

      UTG raises to $0.18, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, UTG calls $0.57

      Flop: ($1.56, 2 players) 2:spade: 5:spade: J:spade:
      Hero bets $1.35, UTG calls $1.33

      Turn: ($4.22, 2 players) Q:club:

      River: ($4.22, 2 players) T:diamond:

      Hero shows K:spade: K:club: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 68%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
      UTG shows T:spade: A:spade: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
      UTG wins $3.98


      let's sum up this 6 hands and we have 29.31$. From 6 hands I played correct 5 hands where I couldn't have done much. In one hand AKo example I could have saved 1.64$ if I had decided to check and give up.

      what do u think?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      What to think? Well, I could say a lot but to sum it up. This is just variance and this is actually the normal poker. :) The only way we can adjust to that is that we have to find a way to ignore those kind of beats. In long run we will earn A LOT more money by such plays as they played.

      Just don't yourself lose motivation in your game. Maybe take few days off the poker and try to calm down. :) And then come with clean mindset back.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      I understand everything what your write. I know that this is poker and downswing can last very long because it's normal. But it's very annoying when u can not move forward with the limit. For example I don't afraid downswing on NL6 because I'm winning player on this limit. I've earned huge amount of money on this limit so far but on NL10 the situation is different. I'm not able to be winning player because of incomprehensive factor. What is annoying? On videos which made by hasenbraten and from polish edition, coaches say that this limit is easy to beat, you have to play ABC poker, players on this limit are very weak because this limit is for beginners and using PT3 or HM is unnecessary. Do u know what I mean? I've been playing poker for 2 years. I know that this is very short time but I can not say that I'm beginner. I use PT3, I adjust my play to opponent, I make session review after every session, post a lot of hands and print the most frequently mistakes in hand. It looks like I'm the most hands poster on this forum and I can't be winning player on NL10. I don't claim that I don't make mistakes on this limit. Of course I do but everyone makes it. It's normal. I'm sure that I play worse poker with more mistakes on NL6 than on NL10.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      mistake
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Lets ask it this way. What's your sample size by now on NL10? :)
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      sorry coach but I don't understand the question...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      sorry coach but I don't understand the question...
      I mean how many hands have you played in NL10 by now.
    • Philfox1985
      Philfox1985
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      Joined: 18.12.2010 Posts: 934
      With only a small sample size its possible to be a long term winning player on a limit, but to have lost over that period.

      From what I have gathered you will need around 10,000 hands on a limit to get a fairly good grasp of what your actual win rate will be. By around 100,000 hands the win-rate should be pretty accurate to +/- 0.5 BB's.

      Poker is a high variance game, I'm sure Veriz still gets down swings if you analyse hands over a small enough sample size.
    • w4terman
      w4terman
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      Joined: 04.04.2011 Posts: 757
      idd say even more than 10k hands!

      10k hands are not that much if you play a lot you can make 10k hands in 4-5 days
      i think 50k + its a good sample
    • Philfox1985
      Philfox1985
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      Joined: 18.12.2010 Posts: 934
      Its a lot for me ;-)

      I have looked up an article that may help, and it does confirm that even 10k hands is too small as a sample size:

      Variance in Poker
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Silver
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,740
      thanks guys for respond...




      I set a record in losing session yesterday... I lost -39.40$. Top 7 losing hands:



      1. -10.49$ Nl10 Fr Kk 14.09
      2. -10$
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG+1: $11.62
      Hero (MP): $12.72
      MP+1: $6.15
      CO: $12.08
      BTN: $10.00
      SB: $10.30
      BB: $4.57
      UTG: $10.73

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 2:club: 2:spade:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, MP+1 calls $0.40, fold, BTN calls $0.40, fold, BB calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.65, 4 players) A:heart: A:spade: 6:club:
      BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($1.65, 4 players) 2:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, fold, BTN calls $1.20, fold

      River: ($4.05, 2 players) 8:spade:
      Hero bets $3.25, BTN raises to $8.40, Hero calls $5.15

      Hero shows 2:club: 2:spade: (Full House, Twos full of Aces) (Pre 18%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
      BTN shows 6:spade: 6:heart: (Full House, Sixes full of Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
      BTN wins $19.81

      3. -6$ NL6 FR AJo 14.09
      4. -3.19$ Nl6 Fr Kk 14.09
      5. -3.15$
      Pacific Poker - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $6.00
      UTG+1: $3.14
      MP: $6.55
      MP+1: $1.02
      CO: $4.12
      Hero (BTN): $6.00
      SB: $6.00
      BB: $9.43

      SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

      fold, UTG+1 calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.24

      Flop: ($0.69, 2 players) 3:heart: 8:heart: Q:diamond:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.69, 2 players) 3:diamond:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG+1 raises to $2.34, Hero calls $1.09

      River: ($6.37, 2 players) A:diamond:

      UTG+1 shows A:club: Q:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 28%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
      Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Threes) (Pre 72%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
      UTG+1 wins $6.00

      6. -2.70$ Nl10 Fr AJo 14.09
      7. -1.8$ NL6 FR QTo 14.09

      Hands 2 and 5 I didn't evaluate because I couldn't have folded it...
      Hands 3, 4, 6 and 7 were played correct.
      Hand 1 discussion in progress

      This is how looked like my session from Friday to Wednesday



      Sum up this days:



      Even on NL6 I've got downswing...
      I shoved two the most losing session from this chart. Other days looked the same. Good play without tilting and stupid decisions.
      I think that I will take few days of from poker, maybe I will be watching videos but I don't think so that I will learn something new because I've seen this videos more than one time and I think that I couldn't have played better this hands which I showed u.
      Thanks guys for support and that I can share with u with this bad run because I don't have close person who will understand whole situation which I have to manage.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, 15k is pretty much nothing. :( Really it's not enough. Some play 15k hands with few days! This what you are on is just a huge downswing and everyone gets them. Only thing to do is that we have to find a way to ignore it and keep going. If you just will continue thinking about the losses you will start only loosing even more money.

      Not sure if I have shown my run on Pokerstars SH100:


      I mean. It's even just 30k hands. :) I have seen runs which are like for 100k-200k running a lot below EV.
    • Philfox1985
      Philfox1985
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      Joined: 18.12.2010 Posts: 934
      Not sure you should be coaching if you are not even a winning player ;-)

      I'm making more money than you on nl2 :P
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Philfox1985
      Not sure you should be coaching if you are not even a winning player ;-)

      I'm making more money than you on nl2 :P
      :f_cool: