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[NL2-NL10] NL4 SH - Idiot-end straight faces shove on river, can I ever fold here?

    • Salivanth
      Salivanth
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.01.2011 Posts: 587
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Button ($8.56) (15/11/1.9/24/338) (VPIP/PFR/AF/WTSD/Hands)
      SB ($3.85)
      UTG ($3.16)
      Hero (BB) ($4.35)
      CO ($4.73)
      MP ($5.48)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 3
      1 fold, MP calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, SB calls $0.02, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.16) 4, 5, 6 (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $0.16, SB calls $0.16, Hero calls $0.16, MP calls $0.16

      Turn: ($0.80) 7 (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.57, 1 fold, Button calls $0.57, 1 fold

      River: ($1.94) 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.23, Button raises $7.79 (All-In), Hero calls $2.35 (All-In)

      Total pot: $9.10

      So when I was playing, this seemed a routine situation. But looking back on it in my session review I'm actually wondering if I could have folded here. Villain is a tight player who knows what he is doing, and I actually don't see all that many hands that shove here that I beat, considering that the 5 meant that 55, 77, and flush draws are now ahead of my hand. Add to the fact that any 8 beats me, and I wonder if I actually made a mistake calling this.
  • 2 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,015
      you already gave your own answer.
      "villain is a tight player who knows what he's doing"... so, really, what do you expect to beat with your 1 card idiot end straight where flushes and full houses are possible? i know that you know he won't overplay his two pair like that on such a board.
    • Bierbaer
      Bierbaer
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.05.2005 Posts: 7,989
      Check/fold flop.

      You basically have 3 clean outs (the 2's without the 2 :diamond:) and you're only getting 3:1 odds - with the 3 outs you need ~15:1.
      Also you have reverse implied odds against higher straights and flushes.

      On the river it's definitely a fold. The guy was calling 2 big bets in a multiway pot and shoves once the FD gets there - he can't make it more clear that he has a flush ;) .