2-7 hands

    • luzzy
      luzzy
      Global
      Joined: 06.01.2010 Posts: 247
      Here are some hands where I was unsure about my line.

      Hand #1

      Villan was a very bad player often patting hands like T9x or even J9xx after first draw! I've a pretty ruff hand to begin with but I think against him it's in pretty good shape. Question is if I should pat my Ten or draw


      Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 3 players
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      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A:club: J:club: 8:club: 6:spade: 3:diamond:
      BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, BTN calls

      First Draw: (7 SB) (2 players)
      Hero draws 2, BTN draws 4
      Hand: K:heart: 8:club: 6:spade: 3:diamond: 2:diamond:
      Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

      Second Draw: (7.5 BB) (2 players)
      Hero draws 1, BTN stands pat
      Hand: T:spade: 8:club: 6:spade: 3:diamond: 2:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

      Third Draw: (9.5 BB) (2 players)
      Hero draws 1, BTN stands pat
      Hand: 8:club: 6:spade: 4:club: 3:diamond: 2:diamond:
      Hero bets, BTN calls

      Final Pot: 11.5 BB
      BTN mucks T:club: 9:spade: 7:diamond: 4:spade: 2:heart:
      Hero shows 8:club: 6:spade: 4:club: 3:diamond: 2:diamond: (Lo: 8,6,4,3,2)
      Hero wins 11 BB
      (Rake: $1.00)


      Hand #2

      I'm not sure what to do here predraw. From what I know these oesd hands are very vulnerable.



      Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 3 players - View hand 1467848
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      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with Q :club: 7 :spade: 6 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :heart:
      BTN folds, SB raises, Hero calls

      First Draw: (4 SB) (2 players)
      SB draws 3, Hero draws 1
      Hand: 7 :spade: 6 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :heart: 2 :heart:
      SB bets, Hero calls

      Second Draw: (3 BB) (2 players)
      SB stands pat, Hero stands pat
      Hand: 7 :spade: 6 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :heart: 2 :heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls

      Third Draw: (9 BB) (2 players)
      SB stands pat, Hero stands pat
      Hand: 7 :spade: 6 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :heart: 2 :heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

      Final Pot: 11 BB
      SB mucks 8 :heart: 7 :club: 5 :club: 3 :club: 2 :diamond:
      Hero shows 7 :spade: 6 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :heart: 2 :heart: (Lo: 7,6,5,4,2)
      Hero wins 10.5 BB
      (Rake: $1.00)


      Hand #3

      Villain is the same as in Hand #1
      Am I overplaying my hand here?


      Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 3 players - View hand 1467851
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      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with 8 :spade: 8 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :diamond: 3 :heart:
      BTN folds, Hero raises, BB calls

      First Draw: (4 SB) (2 players)
      Hero draws 1, BB draws 2
      Hand: 8 :diamond: 5 :spade: 4 :diamond: 4 :spade: 3 :heart:
      Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps!, Hero calls

      Second Draw: (6 BB) (2 players)
      Hero draws 1, BB stands pat
      Hand: 8 :diamond: 6 :heart: 5 :spade: 4 :diamond: 3 :heart:
      Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

      Third Draw: (10 BB) (2 players)
      Hero stands pat, BB draws 1
      Hand: 8 :diamond: 6 :heart: 5 :spade: 4 :diamond: 3 :heart:
      Hero bets, BB folds

      Final Pot: 10 BB
      Hero wins 9.625 BB
      (Rake: $0.75)


      Hand #4
      In this hand Villain is a 2-7 reg and played pretty good from what I saw. I think he viewed me as splashy.Is my raise on 2nd draw too thin? He only draw one on 1st but didn't 3bet pre so my assumption was that he's probably drawing ruff like a bad 876.



      Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 3 players
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      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with Q:diamond: 8:club: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 2:club:
      Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls

      First Draw: (6 SB) (3 players)
      SB draws 3, BB draws 1, Hero draws 1
      Hand: J:heart: 8:club: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 2:club:
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero calls, SB calls

      Second Draw: (6 BB) (3 players)
      SB draws 1, BB stands pat, Hero draws 1
      Hand: 8:club: 6:diamond: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 2:club:
      SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls

      Third Draw: (12 BB) (3 players)
      SB draws 1, BB stands pat, Hero stands pat
      Hand: 8:club: 6:diamond: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 2:club:
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls

      Final Pot: 14 BB
      BB shows 8:diamond: 5:spade: 4:club: 3:heart: 2:spade: (Lo: 8,5,4,3,2)
      Hero shows 8:club: 6:diamond: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 2:club: (Lo: 8,6,5,4,2)
      BB wins 13.5 BB
      (Rake: $1.00)


      update hand 4 is there now
  • 3 replies
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
      Silver
      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      1: even with your reads, draw. what were his tendencies on river? if they are bet happy then go for check/raise with your hand.

      2: raise flop! also i 3bet pre bvb but you can call pre if his range is stronger (like vs MP or UTG raise). You're right though your OESD hand isn't very strong.

      3: looks good.

      4's missing.
    • madorjan
      madorjan
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2009 Posts: 5,561
      Hey,

      1) If he's really bad, I can see that the isolation 3bet is good, but I wouldn't 3bet here 3 card draws as a default. I'd break the turn OOP with such a smooth draw behind it, since even fish can see that the c/c pat line is weak, and c/r-ing just opens up a can of worms IMO w T8xxx.

      2) I'd call predraw and break the OESD to 754. There is no point drawing to 7654, since you have 4 outs to #4, and 4 outs to a kind of marginal 97xxx but nothing in between. Also, if you plan to draw 1, 3bet predraw, since you're quite transparent in this spot, if you raise your good 1cds, but calling with your rough ones. Draw games are all about balance, and this is such a big imbalance, that a semi-good opponent can pick this up instantly and exploit you to death. As played, raise the flop. There are 3 scenarios here:
      - Villain bets with a worse than pat hand - in that case you don't want to give him a free card (even though he's most likely drawing dead), and he won't put any much action in when he sees you patting
      - Villain snows - he won't put much action in later, when he sees you pat
      - Villain has hit a miracle draw and has a pat hand - he might put in action later, but not much, since when you call/pat here, you look weak (or let's say polarized between slowplays and very bad hands), now when you raise the turn, the weak part of your range is gone instantly, and your opponent has a very easy decision, since you're once again transparent in this spot. Balance!

      3) I can't see a reason to 3bet the flop, except if he's doing that with 2cds unimproved often, but since I can rarely see fish doing that, he either has a monster 1cd, or a pat hand, against which the 3bet doesn't get you anything. Just call his raise, and try to improve. The turn and river is completely fine, especially against the given Villain, who pats Ts and Js. (However, I'd do this against almost anybody, since they went 2->pat, so they should have a kind of weaker range than average, and your hand is just good enough.)

      4) It's completely standard, you played perfectly. BB not 3betting a 1cd here predraw leads me to believe that he's not good! (Especially after showdown, since he shows what had to be a monster 1cd pre and should've raised with it to death.) Villain's c/r is standard on the flop w a pat hand, and on the turn you improve to #8, which is a really strong hand, you have value against BB, and want to close out SB, so the raise is definitely fine. BB not 3betting #5 here is LMAO. WP!

      I hope I could help, I'm not a TD expert myself, but I played a fair bit, so I'm quite confident in my small stakes game, however, if I missed something, or said something incorrectly, then sorry.:)

      GL!
    • luzzy
      luzzy
      Global
      Joined: 06.01.2010 Posts: 247
      thx for the comments guys very appreciated! :s_thumbsup: